Villian #1 in this hand has been raising and r/r a lot. He is in almost every pot, and it seems like his 3bet ranger p/f is what most people would call a pfr w/. Villian #2 has been in almost hand also, calling most of #1's raises. Villian #1 has about 1000, #2 has 800, and I have 305

Villian #1 is in MP and opens to 25, which has been about his standard pfr. #2 calls, and I look down at TT otb and I call. I might raise this often due to Villian #1 raising so much, but I 3 bet at all pf...so I didn't want to scare him away since both would likely fold.

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Both check to me, and I bet 40.

I figured both would call with just about anything if I bet 40 here, and the only thing I should be afraid of is a straight draw. Both opponents don't slow play much, but #2 will c/r when he hits his hands often.

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It goes check, check again. Hero?

The pot is 202 and I have 260 left. If I shove the worst that might call is 2 pair, but more than likely a straight, or a pair with the F/D like Tx or some combo draw. Do I bet 100 for value, or just shove since I'm so short and a scare card could kill my hand...like a 9 or a 7?

Angrily fold face-up

lol nice level

never in my wildest dreams this short.

****As played, I'd bet like $120.

^^^
I was gonna say a buck and a quarter. Sounds about right.

gross. your PF 3b comment noted. PF pot is $80ish. I bet a bit bigger or way smaller. You are the shorty (yes, reload to a full $1k before the hand). You can bet small if you think you may induce a c/r (betting like $15). I think I just bet for value ~65-70. They fold you win, they call (one or both) sets up a nice turn shove.
as played, I think 125 would be on the bottom of my betting range (125-160). I'd make it pretty clear I was committed and have a reload ready.

ya i guess a fold is ok

I LOL'ed

You don't like light 3 betting from the button with a loose pfr? Or do you prefer with other holdings like maybe SC's or big Aces and suited aces? Just doing it with big PP's and AK/AQ is kind of a leak imo. It polarizes our range too much. The reload money comment is meh. I'd rather one of them shove over so I can commit here. I guess it works two fold though. They might see it as weakness that I'm giving up and shove it in for me.

Why the **** are you betting the flop with top set? That's a pretty big leak, you gotta check to let them catch up.

lolz

you are soo right.

The PF 3b thing really depends on your image. If you've been playing tight, I would expect to win the pot right there if you decide to 3b. I'm def not saying it's bad. It's prob more EV than actually seeing a flop here, but meh. I like playing poker, and not just PF. All I was saying was that I noted your comment about sometimes 3b'ing this PF in this situation. I like 3b'ing with SC's if I have a squeaky tight image, but I don't normally do it otherwise bc if we're called from an OOP, we are usually a huge dog in a disgusting pot HU.

Having a reload visible does feign weakness I suppose, but it shows that you are willing to go broke whether you like it or not. I said that more so that regardless of this hand, you will have a full stack at the beginning of the next. (Where I play, it usually takes a minute to get a new stack so I like to announce that I'll have a full stack for the next hand to the dealer so he can get a chip runner.)

LOL at Keli. We called a raise PF and they showed weakness. They can see it as a VB or a bluff. It doesn't matter either way. And we should never check this for the purpose of letting them catch up. That is a stupid leak that the micros show all of the time.

wow at the advice on here... levels aside

the lone good advice is bet smaller or bigger on the flop... smaller if the other guys are agressive... bigger if they are not

thanks ob, I've never had my advice termed "good"
lol, there are a lot of levels in this thread

1. buy in to 500$ (or w.e the max is)
2. 3bet prelflop
3.???
4.profit

Exactly...they showed weakness, so why the **** would you ever bet with top set. You bet with bluffs when they show weakness, not the stonecold nuts. You're just gonna get 2 folds here almost always, which is why you check, to let them hit their A or K or whatever improves their hand, since you obviously have top set therefore none of them have hands 99% of the time.

Summary: Never ever bet the flop with top set in position, ever, or a set in general. Same goes for straights, etc.

teh eff? you bet with bluffs so balance your range and bet with sets ldo imo lmao. how do you make any munnies? if you only bet here with bluffs, they will adjust and start c/r'ing every time you do this. huge leak ldo.

The Chad,

I like 3betting also pf w/ SC or gappers, also big hands depending on the situation. Typically when I have a big hand I would be betting more on this flop. Since I bet so little it almost looks like i'm on a draw, or have a weak T/8. Aggro players can be tricky, so I was hoping to induce a bluff on the flop...ldo....moreover, I was hoping they would see the weakness and pounce...much like I would when I'm in AgrroDonk mode. I think a turn bet around 125ish would work.

Also, lol at the attempted level attempts by Keli. Your argument almost seems feasible....not! What do you do if you let them catch up to a 7 9 or a 4 on the river? Bored much?

THIS. yes, I'm pulling myself out of the stupid TAG style and I like that a lot. As per the hand, I'm only betting weak if I'm pretty sure I'll be c/r'ed. If that is iffy (being less than 60%), then I just bet for valuetown baby!!!