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04-27-2013 , 11:50 PM
Ok, I've been at this table for about 2 hours; table consists of me and one other reg/solid player and 6 players i would describe as fish/recreational players.

Villain in this hand (unfortunately) is the one solid player.

History with villain is that he def views me as solid/aggro, I have owned him in a couple hands so far this session for medium size pots. Recently changed seats and he is now directly to my right. I perceive his preflop strategy in this game to be similar to mine which is to be fairly active to try and get involved in pots with the (multiple) fish.

Effective stacks $650

Hand:

Table folds around to villain in CO who opens to $15. I call on BTN with XX, one old fish calls in the BB.

Flop ($45):
QsJsTd

both villains check to me, I bet $30. Both villains call. I am expecting both villains to play fairly transparently on this flop given the texture.

Turn ($135)
QsJsTdTc
both villains check, I bet $75, old man folds, villain calls.

River ($285)
QsJsTdTc4c
Villain leads $105. Hero tanks for about 20 seconds and shoves for a total of $530, $425 more for villain to call.

Any comments or input on the hand overall are appreciated, my first two questions are:

If you guys are villain:
a)what range of hands are you leading here OTR given how the hand has played out and
b) what is your calling range facing the shove?

thanks for responses.
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04-28-2013 , 12:45 AM
Given the history, I think if I was villain I can c/c AsKs OTF, c/c OTT (not happily), then lead river. I'm pretty sure I'm bet/shipping every other straight or set OTF if I'm villain. As far as OP's, I can't see myself ever checking KK/AA here.

As is, it looks like an oddly played set or 2pr (JT/QT), maybe a flopped straight with FPS. But knowing your tendencies, I'm probably assuming you're 3betting AKs/o, JJ+ PF OTB, so I can discount those hands pretty often. That being said (if villain thinks this way) it may be a higher level play by villain than I originally perceived it to be.

My personal calling range is nothing less than AKs/o.

EDIT: I suppose ATs/o would possibly make this blocking bet OTR, but I'm not really sure how often I'm calling a shove (not in the mood/too drunk to do the math).

Last edited by vaz1981; 04-28-2013 at 12:54 AM.
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04-28-2013 , 01:46 AM
So that being said do we like heros line for value hands, bluffs, or both
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04-28-2013 , 02:16 AM
I like it for both. It's really hard for villain to have a straight on the river and almost impossible for him to have a full house when he c/c's a flop this soaking wet, while you can have both of these hands. So if you have a value hand you're unlikely to get looked up, but you don't really have any other options besides shoving and hoping he levels himself into a call. Bu the same token, as long as you have a pretty solid image in this dude's eyes then it's fine as a bluff. I'd bet bigger OTT with both bluffs and value hands though.

edit: actually I don't like the turn bet as a bluff because of the fish still in the hand, but if you got to the river with air then the shove is okay
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04-28-2013 , 02:20 AM
Any time when you got limpers on your right so that you got position on all of them you got to raise until they puke. Just raise them until becomes ridiculous. Also when you got an AX hand never limp behind the other limpers. You either raise of fold. I mean any Ace like A2o is a better hand then any unpaired cards like KQ for example. Raise of fold but never limp unless suited and the pot is already volume. Then go for flush potential. Also play any pair in a raised pot. Of course raised by you. Never limp. You want to have a big pot when flopping a set so that you can commit.

Any pair from 22+, AK and AQ are to be player in raised pots. Fold some to a re-raise but the basic idea is to play big potential pots so that when you win you make it big. Of course tour stack will go up and down but don't worry. You cannot win substantial expecting a steady upward movement of your stack. That's not the way to do it.

AK

Last edited by Octavian; 04-28-2013 at 02:38 AM.
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04-28-2013 , 12:05 PM
Ok thanks guys yeah I had air here and villain ended up calling with akss which obv is the top of his range here
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04-28-2013 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Octavian
Any time when you got limpers on your right so that you got position on all of them you got to raise until they puke. Just raise them until becomes ridiculous. Also when you got an AX hand never limp behind the other limpers. You either raise of fold. I mean any Ace like A2o is a better hand then any unpaired cards like KQ for example. Raise of fold but never limp unless suited and the pot is already volume. Then go for flush potential. Also play any pair in a raised pot. Of course raised by you. Never limp. You want to have a big pot when flopping a set so that you can commit.

Any pair from 22+, AK and AQ are to be player in raised pots. Fold some to a re-raise but the basic idea is to play big potential pots so that when you win you make it big. Of course tour stack will go up and down but don't worry. You cannot win substantial expecting a steady upward movement of your stack. That's not the way to do it.
AK

wtf bro did you have some kind of brain aneurysm?
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