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09-28-2008 , 07:36 PM

pokerpappy2

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 131

Only at the table short time. I do not have any reads.

I'm bb with q j o. Mpi raises to 20. Button calls 20. I call. Flop a spades 9hearts and 10 hearts. Mpi makes it 50 to go. She has about 600. Button calls and he has about 350 behind. I call with 415 behind. Turn is a q diamonds.
Original raiser makes it 100 and button calls.

Range of hands: raiser two pair. Button hearts.

This may seem basic but thought are welcome.

Thanks.

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09-29-2008 , 01:14 AM

StarkNaked

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,207

Maybe I'm a nit but I fold pre...mostly because of this exact situation you are now in.... OOP and not sure what to do and where you stand.

Turn is an easy fold....I mean you have mid pair and up+down on a flushy board so you won't feel good hitting a heart that makes your strait.... not to mention you aren't likely to get paid by the original raiser (MP1) if you hit because he'll fear that either you or BTN has a str8. Just fold it and get acclimated to the table.

OOP FTL

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09-29-2008 , 09:56 AM

GFatStacks

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 65

Easy fold on the turn.

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09-29-2008 , 05:12 PM

2OutsNoProb

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,991

I lean towards folding the turn here. Bad spot, not a lot of river cards you will like.

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09-30-2008 , 12:05 AM

JulioYalil

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,209

u keep getting dragged into the pot with borderline good odds. u got 3:1 PF, 3:1 on the flop and 3.5:1 on the turn. u only have 6 clean outs and the straight will be so obvious if it gets there that u might not get paid so i'm inclined toward a fold here. u r not getting good enough expressed odds or implied odds to make the call. now, to avoid urself getting in this spot i would've folded PF. I mean, 3:1 is decent enough to make the call but u r OOP and it's a hand that can get u into a lot of trouble when u flop top pair or a draw. fold pre next time.

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10-01-2008 , 11:58 PM

shipit2herbert

journeyman

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 215

Usually fold pf. As played...easy fold on turn.

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10-02-2008 , 12:46 AM

WorldsBiggestNit

adept

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 903

You fold on the turn because you're not getting any value out of your hand on the river if your card comes. Also, your outs are so discounted because of flush outs/chop outs. And you're in a gross spot if the flush card comes that improves your hand. Avoid marginal spots like this.

Also, um what kind of ranges are those? Your ranges are way too narrow. AK definitely a possibility for original raiser.

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10-05-2008 , 12:19 PM

pokerpappy2

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 131

I folded. k clubs on river. Original raiser bets 200 and button called. Original raiser has a q for 2 pair. Button had a k for top 2. No flush draws.

Thanks for posts. I just wanted to make sure on my fold.

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10-06-2008 , 01:24 PM

Always Chipping Up

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 70

Fold flop. Don't draw to straights with flushing boards in multi-way pots. 25% of your outs could make you lose your whole stack. Done.

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10-09-2008 , 05:58 AM

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Soehnke

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 133

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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