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12-30-2012 , 07:21 AM
Villain #1 (BB) is playing very laggy, something like 40/35, and has been bluffing a lot. He has shown down very few hands but is getting a lot of folds. He has mucked multiple times when raised on any street.

Villain #2 (SB) is relatively passive without a good hand. He tends to bet big when he has it and I have never seen him slow play (probably 50 hours+ of live play with him), especially on a wet board.

My image has been pretty laggy, but I haven't really gotten out of line.

Effective stack ($875)

1 limper who is bad-passive limps in late position. The hijack isolates limper to $30. Hijack is pretty bad-aggressive, bluffs quite a bit, but is aware of the concepts of isolation and position. I call with 79, mostly to play in position against Villain #1, who is in the big blind. I like playing against the hijack in position too. Button is also fairly tight, so I expect him to fold quite a bit. Button ends up calling. Villain #1 and #2 call in the big and small blinds as does the limper.

Flop (Pot $180)

456

Villain #2 checks. Villain #1 donks $25. I have been playing with Villain #1 for two hours and have never seen him bet tiny, especially into many others on this wet of a board. It looks weak/blockerish. I expect him to bomb or cr with huge flopped hands on this board texture. I have his range at potentially heart draws (although I expected a larger bet as he is about $2000 deep), 7x (less so since I have a 7) 34, 35, 36, 47,48, 57,58, 63, 67, 68. I think he bets larger with 2 pair+, potentially going for a cr with those hands.

Folded to me, I call. Pretty standard call at this price, drawing to the nut straight in position, with most of the field gone. Raising could definitely be disastrous and would be way over repping my hand. Also, he could have a hand with good equity like pair+hearts which can stuff on me if I decided to raise. Villain #2 calls. I have Villain #2's range to be pretty wide, mostly straight draws/pair+straight draws, maybe hearts. I think he is going to cr 2 pair+ almost always.

Turn 9 (Pot $255)

Villain #2 checks. Now villain #1 leads out for $125. Again, a small bet in relation to the pot, but much larger than his flop bet. I still feel he is weak and decide my 9 is good here a lot of the time, unless he is weak leading tiny into 5 others with a flopped straight/2 pair/set. I felt this, again, was highly unlikely. I have him still on a pretty wide range: the heart draw/weakish straight draw I had him on the flop. The 9 is very unlikely to have helped him and I have the 9 blocker as well. With the SB not in the hand, I think I actually like a jam here for my remaining $825 to protect my equity and, against this guy, might still get a call from the flush/straight draw anyway. I ended up making it $375 to go for value. I actually kind of like a jam more, looking back, but felt both plays were pretty close with Villain #2 in the hand (although I had pretty much discounted him from having a monster at this point, thus a jam is the better play). I don't love flatting here and versus this particular villain, folding seemed out of the question. Villain #2 ends up check raising all-in for about $900 which was really shocking. Again, Villain #2 is not a slow player, especially on boards like this. Villain #1 hems and haws and calls. Back to me, I have about $400 left and am sick. Note: I have seen Villain #2 spazz out before when he thinks people are bluffing. I had him checkraise flop and turn allin versus me on an 8334 board with 66 when I had Aces, calling my 3 bet pre.

Pot is now approx $2300 and I am getting nearly 6 to 1 on my money and cannot be drawing dead. I was folding if Villain #1 had folded of course, but end up calling. I think it's close, but, again I couldn't put 78 in Villain #2's range given his propensity to not slow play coupled with how he has played the hand so far on a wet board texture facing a tiny flop bet.

Results below




River Q

Villain #2 has 78
Villain #1 has 53

Comments appreciated on all streets.

Last edited by MattR82; 12-30-2012 at 07:34 AM.
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12-30-2012 , 07:42 AM
Given all the info i like:
Pre: Fold->4bet->call
Flop: Call=Fold, since you guys are so deep, i am probably leaning towards folding, even if you make your hand on the turn(6 outer at best,and both of them could have blockers to SD as well, so you end up chopping a decent % of the time, unless you hit an offsuit 8, the board becomes too obvious and you're not getting paid), they will still have ****load of outs between two of them to profitably draw the river card and make their hand
Turn: You have solid reads and info about the guy, and he makes a sizeable bet into 2 players but you still leveled yourself into having the best hand, imho in deepstack holdem try pass on marginal spots more often than not, unless you are playing with total fish. Fold turn unimproved 100% of the time given action and as played save 80bbs when the passive guy shoves.

Last edited by Nordling89; 12-30-2012 at 07:48 AM.
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12-30-2012 , 10:54 AM
FYI, don't post results if you want better discussions.

I think the hand is ok for most part, except part where you think in absolute, as in V2 is never slow-playing.

As played, I think I would fold to the CR as all sign pointing toward drawing for 3 outs at the very best.
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12-30-2012 , 11:06 AM
the turn has to be a fold after the sb c/r even receiving 6 to 1 on a call. The SB has shown aggression and you shouldn't stray away from your reads that he has the goods when betting big, which could often lead you drawing very slim.

I think you could actually raise the BBs smallish bet otf. doubtful he is betting that small unless he is trying to induce, in which case you could find a fold if he comes over the top. small blocker bets hate being raised, and you could potentially take it down on a later street.
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12-30-2012 , 11:42 AM
One of my biggest leaks is not taking the time to consider whether players are changing their traditional/perceived playing style against me, and leveling myself into calling in positions like this, even though i'm clearly dominated. Thinking in absolutes can be costly.

This should be an easy fold, but I recognize that it wasn't easy at the time.
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12-30-2012 , 11:58 AM
ahh! results!

I'll try to ignore thatI saw them while scrolling down.

Pre- I just fold since you don'treally know if your fish are going to play and your not on the button.
Flop- I'm ok with calling.
Turn- Raising is a dangerous play. I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's certainly high variance. Once V1 goes bananas (B-A-N-A-N-A-S) its a fold. I can't imagine him doing that with anything other than a straight whih means you're drawing to 4, possibly 3 outs to possibly just a chop.
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12-30-2012 , 12:14 PM
Pre not sure we are deep enough to call this....

Flop have to call.

Turn have to fold immediately...you have 3 outs...discounting the 3 of hearts
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12-30-2012 , 02:32 PM
Thank you all for the replies. Apologies for the spoilers, I thought everyone reading wanted to know results. I can see how they could skew responses. Preflop call is close, I don't hate a fold either. I thought there would be an excellent chance bb calls, like 80%+ which pushed me toward calling. On the flop, I think raising the tiny bet, which I agree was unlikely to be inducing a raise is a fine line hu. With the button and sb still in the hand, I think it's too light. I also agree that I leveled myself into calling, so it should have been a raise fold for sure, despite the sick odds drawing nearly dead with unclean outs.
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