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2/5 live with bottom 2 and a tough turn card 2/5 live with bottom 2 and a tough turn card

02-11-2009 , 07:39 AM
Villain 1 is a Tight Regular (REG) who tends not to get too frisky unless he's sure he's ahead. Fairly easy to read. Villain 2 is a Loose Asian Lady (LAL) who likes to gamble. Hard to believe , I know. They both know me well and as someone who is fairly Laggy.

REG is in the BB with $500. LAL is in MP with $450. I've got them both covered with $1400 and I'm on the Button.

Three limpers including LAL, and I limp with 75. SB completes and REG checks his option. 6-way flop.

Flop: ($30)

T75

REG leads out for $25. This means he has exactly top pair - he'd never do this with a draw or some funky two-pair - he'd check it to two active players who would likely bet if it was checked to either of them. LAL calls. All this means is she has two cards. She'd call this with as little as bottom pair or a gutshot.

I raise it to $125. Surprisingly, they both call. Probable FD for LAL, as she'd likely lay down any other one-pair hand and push a set. I put REG on exactly AT now, as he'd more than likely push with a goofy BB two-pair hand like T7 or T5 with less than 100 BBs behind.

Turn: ($405)

A

REG and LAL both check...

If I bet, I'm pushing because they both have less than the size of the pot. But I really don't see what REG would call with that I beat and I'd only end up protecting my hand against LAL's probably flush draw. So...I'm in a quandry.

...Hero?

Last edited by Dominic; 02-11-2009 at 07:59 AM.
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02-11-2009 , 11:43 AM
just shove
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02-11-2009 , 12:43 PM
I would shove vs unknowns, but since you said "I put REG on exactly AT now", doesn't this mean you fold to any bet from him unless you boat up on the river?
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02-11-2009 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Villain 1 is a Tight Regular (REG) who tends not to get too frisky unless he's sure he's ahead. Fairly easy to read. Villain 2 is a Loose Asian Lady (LAL) who likes to gamble. Hard to believe , I know. They both know me well and as someone who is fairly Laggy.

REG is in the BB with $500. LAL is in MP with $450. I've got them both covered with $1400 and I'm on the Button.

Three limpers including LAL, and I limp with 75. SB completes and REG checks his option. 6-way flop.

Flop: ($30)

T75

REG leads out for $25. This means he has exactly top pair - he'd never do this with a draw or some funky two-pair - he'd check it to two active players who would likely bet if it was checked to either of them. LAL calls. All this means is she has two cards. She'd call this with as little as bottom pair or a gutshot.

I raise it to $125. Surprisingly, they both call. Probable FD for LAL, as she'd likely lay down any other one-pair hand and push a set. I put REG on exactly AT now, as he'd more than likely push with a goofy BB two-pair hand like T7 or T5 with less than 100 BBs behind.

Turn: ($405)

A

REG and LAL both check...

If I bet, I'm pushing because they both have less than the size of the pot. But I really don't see what REG would call with that I beat and I'd only end up protecting my hand against LAL's probably flush draw. So...I'm in a quandry.

...Hero?
your reads are too solid for any advice here. just check turn and open muck out of turn on river if a 5 or 7 doesnt come.

in reality the tight guy could easily have kt, 68, 89 and probably many others.
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02-11-2009 , 03:45 PM
Limon, I respect your opinions here a lot....since I play at the same room most of the time I seem to run into situations like this a lot - where normally I'd make the standard play, give my opponent a range of hands that I'm ahead of and push or make a call with a hand like I have in this example...even though I know the players so well I'm pretty damn sure I'm beat. I guess just have to start trusting my reads more.

Spoiler:
I pushed and yeah, he had AT
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02-13-2009 , 07:36 AM
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just check turn and open muck out of turn on river if a 5 or 7 doesnt come.
This is just so freaking awesome because it is dead on...
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02-13-2009 , 04:33 PM
I double him up. That board is way too wet for me to not be pushing two pair pretty hard. Of course, I've correctly laid down bottom set when "the tightest living human" check raised me on a dry board, so if you're very confident in your read, you have to go with it.

Chalk it up to a cooler and next hand.
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02-13-2009 , 10:54 PM
I like a turn check here. Sure a free card for LAL is bad, but betting is just protecting a pot that you don't think you're winning. Your read is very specific, follow it, take the free card, and spike a 5 on the river.
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02-13-2009 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by swolfe
I like a turn check here. Sure a free card for LAL is bad, but betting is just protecting a pot that you don't think you're winning. Your read is very specific, follow it, take the free card, and spike a 5 on the river.
damn, I knew I forgot something.
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02-17-2009 , 03:13 PM
I would check here.

If you have him on AT what does your bet accomplish?
All your bet does is chase out a draw from LAL in a hand your probably not winning according to your solid read.

It also sounds to me like Villain1 would value bet the river, so it doesn't cost you as much to call on the river to confirm your read as it would if you push the turn.
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02-17-2009 , 09:07 PM
yeah...sticky situation given reads.. yuck
i hate it..but given stack sizes i'll be more prone to shove it and hope REG doesn't have A10..and he really could have other hands J10cc, Q10, K10, some type of ten right?
don't you think he might also open shove when the A falls now that the pot is big enough and he's committed and wouldn't mind just taking it down scared of getting sucked out by the lady?
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