2/5, 2K effective

PRE: 2 limpers, V raises to 40 in BTN, H 3b to 160 in SB w Th9h, V call.

FLOP (335€): JsTc3h - H cbet 110, V call;

TURN (555€): 8c - H x, V bet 320, H call;

RIVER (1.2K€): 5d - H x, V bet 600, H call;

Thoughts? No specific reads on villain, seems like a solid live reg, not much history.

This one is close on the river. You can should check call some strong hands like Jx and overpairs on the turn to strengthen your river calling range. What you do have going for you is that his sizing doesn't scream thick value like sets or necessarily QQ. Also, there are tons of possible bluffs, and you don't block them really. KQs and AQ. More if he has more offsuit versions of these hands. Your hand doesn't really block much value imo though because his sizing doesn't really scream TT or JT. Lastly, I think a lot of villains will give up on thin value on the river and check back some Jx. He is giving you a really attractive price too.

I think our hand is better than AT or KT blocking AQ and KQ. QT is maybe a little better blocking QQ though.

In theory this is probably a call or mix call/fold.

I feel like this guy will either be bluffing way too much or way too little. I think I have talked myself into a call here though, but I think this is very close.

Also, this is a questionable ISO pre given how large he raised it pre.

I dont really like 3betting T9s/JT specifically just because of its interaction on broadway flops where we can be drawing to low straights too often. That said V's range stinks of AJ and maybe KQ. I dont agree with hero calling very often so I just want to let this one go, NW WP sir. But next time consider check-raising the flop. A think of a lot of V's cbet calling range is just going to fold when we check-raise due to how nutted it looks, even OESD's.

This is just button pressing on steroids if we don't have any reads on the villain.

Not a fan of the 3b unless you have seen him fold to 3bs consistently in the past. Ya your hand is disguised, but now you are OOP with 10 high vs a sticky villain and pretty low SPR.

Interesting hand.

Probably folding pre given the button opened 8x lol but we are so deep think all options are available

Not a great board for us has the 3! OOP I consider Check calling flop check calling turn and evaluating river

Seems like a tough spot

Being OOP sucks

Hard to think of what hand he has here
That takes this line though… is AJ betting turn and river?

In a 3 bet pot? Idk…

Kk,qq, jj, 1010. Even AA

id call i think. his sizing doesnt make that much sense for what his value range is supposed to be and you have pretty good blockers. in terms of bluffs theres all the underpairs no one ever finds as a bluff, but also AQ / KQ / potentially AK although i doubt that one, and i guess 98 / 87 / like a3. you only need to win like 25% of the time and idk. im having a hard time seeing people really bet the turn and the river this deep / at all with hands that want to choose half otr (like KJ / AJ / maybe QQ although qq is fairly obvious value bet). i guess u get rekt if he thinks you're a station and just always goes for 2 streets with TP but that should be fairly easy to adjust to in the future.

comedy option - bluff raise. decent blockers and his sizing looks like some kind of thin value and we're *supposed* to have turn slowplays and shouldn't be perceived to have much air since we c/c.

Of course but we have to discount them a fair amount since he didn’t 4!

Im not sure ive seen 1010-QQ 4bet in awhile. Maybe QQ but is the exception not the rule. Even KK ive seen flatting 3bs eiter equal or more than 4betting

the whole hand played out I think 1010-AA make the most sense. J10s, 88 less so. But I dont see this line ever with AJ. Highly doubt V is overvaluing. Either hes targeting our exact hand or he chose our H as his favorite bluffing target


KQ is the only hand that makres sense as a bluff otherwise

Tnx everyone for ur reviews.

First, to the guy saying that this is just button pressing w/o any specific reads - i dont believe in that, we all know general population tendencies in the games we play the most - for me this was important in this hand, the field/avg solid regs here will be quite aggro, having enough bluffs in their range - i would consider this to be a read.

Now back to the hand - i think all of the above are valid points, this is not a high freq 3!, but also I dont think its that bad if you consider having an edge postflop being 400bb deep. His sizing is not critical in this spot, with the 2 limpers being quite whaley, therefore him iso-ing lighter w this size is not that uncommon.

River i am mostly x/f vs a b75ish+, but here i just get such great odds i cant fold given how the hand played out. He will 100% have some AA, KK, QQ, but this sizing just makes me rule out so many of those combos.

*and also another population tendency that maybe helps in this hand - i think most Jx will x the turn in this spot.

I called and V showed AQo (w the Ac)

NH. This sort of goes with my point. There are so many bluffs villain can have and not tons of value hands given that the thickest value probably goes larger and the thinnest value might check river.

Even if a lot of villains aren't bluffing enough, this villain likely is way overbluffing this line and you may be good more than 50% of the time here vs this exact villain. That can make up for the villains that aren't bluffing here.

The general population where I play doesn't really bluff like that or even call 160 pre in a 2/5 game without a strong hand or PP, especially a solid reg (he ended up being a button presser) but luckily you called with a bluff catcher.

I don't classify someone as being bluffy and aggressive like that just by looking at them and guessing so if I'm about to bet 250 bb's with second pair I would wanna have more concrete evidence of it, btjm.

i mean his sizing is bad but the bluff is fine. u have interesting definition of solid reg lol

Well in that case what can I say, sign me up for a general population like that?

I dont consider his bluff that bad, I just think I would’ve liked his river plan better if the flush draw would have come, cause him bluffing w the Ac when the FD didnt hit only makes me having less flush draws in my range.

Ac is like pure follow through in solver for some size. if you think about it what flush draws can you even have? AcJc? i think most people are going to pure barrel NFDs here for the most part since we can fold out a good number of k9 / aq / a3 / underpairs / tx from btn and its uncomfortable to play them as c/cs.

Well you raised to 160 pre from the blinds and you're an unknown to him so you're range has to be seen as strong tp begin with, and the way you played it can easily be big pocket pairs so you're hand looked like it was nutted and for him to try an get you off of aces, kings or queens there is pretty bad on his part, especially after you just called the turn he shouldn't expect you to fold blank rivers for a half pot bet.

"nutted".
3b sb vs btn iso, range bet flop and x turn

im not trying to be difficult but its like youre assuming everyone (even regs) are loose passive nut pedaling fish and anyone that ever bluffs is bad at poker. is common trend on here tbh

oh one other thing I forgot to mention, in a 3bet pot where you're first to act, if you decide to cbet I feel a turn barrel is mandatory. It's just too exploitable for people to float, especially since a 3bet calling range by V is going to obviously have some decent hands that need to call a cbet.

A reg isn't a read. Everyone in the poker room is a reg for the most part, that term literally means nothing in terms of how someone plays and/or if they bluff.

The reason the bluff was bad wasn't because it was "sb 3bet vs button open"; that all happened pre flop. Once the hero called 320 into 555 ott, and after raising to 160 pre where most random people are not usually light when 3betting this big in a 2/5 game, the villain failed to narrow down hero's range and assumed he would fold to a half pot bet on a blank river after he just called a big turn bet.

reg is absolutely a read lol. if you can't differentiate between regs and recs idk what to tell you.

the bluff isn't bad. the solver bets his hand on both streets more than it checks. hero's hand is also a pure call vs this sizing so its not like he got super hero'ed or something. you're talking about villain should have narrowed down hero's range, and known that hero was nutted, but hero quite literally had 2nd pair no kicker. half the thread is folding without even bothering to attempt to hand / range read because villain bet really big! random hueristics like if they bet they have it, big 3bs (regardless of open size here its just a 4x 3b oop which is on the small side) are always the nuts! work vs extremely unsophisticated opponents - ie my comment about loose passive fish. they don't really hold up as well if the other person is trying to win.

Managed to catch up finally.

At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this is why im posting hands here, otherwise i would check the solver and that would be it.

That being said, viewing the game in a very simplistic way (like 3! to 160 pre is always the nuts because itÂ’s too much money kinda thinking) will only help you until you reach a certain level (and that level could be at 2/5, or at 10/20 etc., thatÂ’s up to your game selection skills).

In a normal 2/5 game of course this line is not necessary, and I totally get it. U have a good game with plenty of other good potential spots -> u fold this pre, easy game. But sometimes thatÂ’s not the case, games dry up, or it gets boring, the line up is tougher, etc. - what do u do then? U still play ABC and wait to cooler/get coolered?

I’m not looking to play large pots OOP with sc’s. I probably fold pre, at worst I call. I threebet this otb or co. If it had been raised and then called a couple times maybe I squeeze but that didn’t happen here.

I never said the 3bet is always the nuts, but when you called a two thirds psb ott, he should think you have more pairs then Ax and draws.

What did you think he had after he opened to 40 pre, then called a 160 dollar 3bet, a cbet, bet the turn when checked to, then bet hp otr, just a guy bluffing? I think it was a bad call otr, btjm.

op played his hand perfectly on all 3 streets besides preflop

not saying his preflop play is bad but it should be a low freq