First post on here so let me know if I should change how I post this.

I was playing 2/5 at my local casino and I was about halfway through the session with $3k in front of me (Max BI of $500 at this casino/limit). Main villain is a young TAG player who I haven't seen before but seems to know the regs reasonably well. He hasn't shown down much but I did see him squeeze 72s from the SB after 6 players limped behind. Other than that he has seemed to play fairly straight forward but is clearly a thinking player.

The hand:
Folds to MP who limps (old guy who limps everything he wants to play and folds a lot to raises)
Hero raises to $20 from the HJ with JdTc
Main villain calls from the BTN ($1200 stack)
MP folds

FLOP ($56): 235 all diamonds
Hero bets $25
Villain makes it $75
Hero flats

TURN ($206): A diamonds
Hero checks
Villain bets $125
Hero calls

RIVER ($456): 8 diamonds
Hero checks
Villain bets $375
Hero ??

I have a few questions:
Can we fold river after calling turn?
Should we be calling turn?
What bluffs can you come up with for villain to have here?


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I would fold preflop, to the flop raise, to the turn bet, and to the river bet. I like your flop bet, but I think it should be a bit bigger.

Pre is very thin.

$30 otf and fold to the raise.

Also seat change.

Thanks guys. I agree I should probably fold on the flop. But what hands do we expect to call a raise with? We don't really have any sets here, so mostly only overcards and overpairs.

For context on the preflop raise, this casino and more specifically most of this table, will call with much worse to this raise. J6o would not be considered unusual at all for example. So I don't think I'm putting myself in a spot where I'm only being called by better. Am I off base on why you're advocating a fold pre?

I had considered a seat change but I was on the left of two uber fish and thought the pros outweighed the cons!

Thanks again for your input, I don't have many people to review hands with.


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Oh, also, I folded and he showed pocket fours without a diamond. He said he put me on a small flush and thought he could get me off of it.


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Villain being "a young TAG player who I haven't seen before" is the main reason why you got bluffed. You made the correct fold given how little information you had. He sure played it like a flopped flush, though.

Nice hand, move on, take a note on his body language, etc..

Fold pre with a savvy player on the button. I'd open JTo from the HJ if I had a couple nits on my left.

Fold to the flop raise.

Agreed with others that you should fold to a flop raise. If you're looking for hands to call with here, they should have the Ad (or maybe the Kd), or an overpair. You're not really getting the odds to call with your draw, both because if it hits it's obvious and if a lot of money goes in after a diamond comes you're often behind.

As played, once the Ad comes on the turn this is actually a pretty good spot to bluff-catch. He's much less likely to have made a semi-bluff on the flop with a Kd or Qd, and now you know he doesn't have the Ad. So, if he has a better flush than you it's very likely he flopped it. I probably call down turn and river, but only because it was the Ad that came. I'd fold turn on any other diamond, and would have folded flop too.

I haven't thought about range advantages on monotone flops much but I would assume in a single raised pot the pfr has the range advantage simply bc you have more A in your range and more strong flushes overall in your range. So when you "have" to fold Tx you aren't making a big mistake bc that's beyond the bottom of your range.

You also shouldn't be raised much on this flop and def don't have to worry about being bluff raised.

Villains raise is pretty bad even with the 4 here, he has 2 clean outs vs anything you continue with. People flop stuff like this sometimes and go "ZOMG straight flush draw" without realizing they have 2 outs.

Him doing it with black 4s is just really bad. He is overbluffing a ton.

The correct adjustment though is to have a more solid value range pre and to bet/call that value more post. Value, not draws.

The ultimate adjustment is to have position. Your are correct that it is often best to consider position on fish first and foremost but I'm always going to get position on someone who clicks buttons which villain clearly does.

This.

Calling the flop raise is really bad.

Thanks for stressing how bad calling the flop raise is. Clearly I wasn't thinking properly because now that I've done some equity calculations, we just are never in a good spot and are pretty much praying he has some random hand that he's spazzing out with. Even those random hands tend to be ahead of us.

Anyway, my lessons learned are that I should pay more attention to who is behind me (particularly those in position) and ensure I don't put myself in weird spots. I should also take more time on flops to consider what my opponent could actually have when performing an action (raising in this case) and decide how well I'm doing against that range. Context is important and the fact that I haven't seen many hands with this players should make me lean towards tightening up. As the night went on and I saw him more or less clicking buttons I could possibly alter my play accordingly but I still think I'm better off avoiding this player, with more money to be made elsewhere.


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So, I agree on folding flop, i think the turn and river I am at least seriously considering calling here. I figure Villan has 4 possible hands on the flop: 1) literally any pocket pair 2) flush 3) Ace of Diamonds semibluff 4) complete bluff.

When he bets the turn id be pretty severely discounting #1, and #3 is impossible. Low flush wouldnt bet, So basically either he is bluffing or he has KdXd or 4dXd whatever thet includes.... River bet im discounting the odds he is bluffing but man, he is not telling a consistent story with the Ad out there on the turn. Id have made a happy turn call followed by a sad river call figuring he is bluffing often enough but figuring my turn call was no good.

I wouldve expected KQ exactly after the river bet because that is the only thing he represents

I'm not folding river. We have the Jd which blocks some better hands V could realistically do this with i.e. KJdd, QJdd, J10dd (which I think checks river/ bets smaller). So really the only value hands are KQdd (which I imagine will 3! Pre often) K10dd, K9dd, Q10dd and Q9dd. Given I know what he had I'm not going to construct a bluffing range but obviously he has way too many bluffs here.