@ South Point Casino in Vegas. Max buy-in is $500 for some stupid reason.

me: $900
V1: $850
V2: $750

History: I've been abusing V1 who has been very active in 3-betting in position, raising his draws, over-betting his C-bets with air into multiple players, etc. The rest of the table has pretty much let him control the table, and I'm playing relatively tight at this point, but I have made big raises against him 3 times in the last hour, forcing him to fold. He seems frustrated by me.

VI UTG raises to $35, gets callers before V2 calls in CO.
I call with 75 on button.

Flop ($175):

J96

V1 leads for $130.
Two folds. V2 calls.

I raise to $475.

V1 tanks for literally 5 minutes, giving me disgusted looks and shaking his head. finally, he pushes.

V2 actually asks for a final count and contemplates calling before he folds. (I put him on the nut flush draw and would've hated a call here, obviously)

I call.

thoughts?

1. Shakes his head in disgust followed by a shove is usually a tell of a very strong range
2. When v2 just calls otf, that caps his range to marginal hands or draws as he raises the top of his range on this board texture a lot
3. I think you made an error in raising to 550. I think you should either flat or shove. You are basically committing yourself with 550, without getting Max fold equity. Shoving is only a slight over bet - and you have 12 outs vs. overpairs which are a large part of his range

Between flatting and shoving, your history might make flatting a better option if you think he is frustrated enough with you to call you light. That would indicate fold equity is worse than usual, implied odds higher than usual...

LOL at Villain gunning for the Oscar. I snap insta-fold just to piss him off even further.

A raise to 550 is over half of our stack. It might look stronger and have more FE than a big shove

He tanked almost every hand, though. It was ridiculous. I also considered he was pushing out of frustration with what might be a marginal hand. He likes to call-off light.


I agree.

I agree with this, as well. I took flatting out of my options because I'd hate to hit my flush and have V2 still in the hand.

He wasn't acting. He was genuinely frustrated and agonizing over what to do.

this is what I thought, as well...at the time, I thought a push would get called more often by an overpair. But I'm still thinking a push might have bought the pot right there.

+1.. Flatting better IMO

Saw the tell posts.

If the tell is accruate of his acting is not strong then calling is certainly better especially if he can't fold. Letting bad players see all 5 cards all in lts them basically play better. Also if he calls you are an underdog. Wait, hit your hand, get paid. MP having a FD is rare. A shove because you feel MP has the same FD is then definitely bad. Fine he maybe folds a better FD but now you are down to 11 outs not 13.

fold pf imo

If this is true then I agree with the people saying just shove.

FWIW:



I do like a push on the flop, better than my raise, though. Maybe if we were both deeper, my raise amount would make better sense.

I think you played the hand fine, though I'd probably flat not expecting to get two tards to fold, esp. if one is frustrated with me.

Sick sweat vs ace high... Haha. Villain probably thinks he got a bad beat.

Oh, and as far as sizing goes, I like it, better than a shove, and I'm usually a proponent of shoving live. If I was to raise, that would be it.

Hope you didn't muck!

I like the hand all around as played. I might make my raise size on the flop a tiny bit smaller ~$475 or so, but regardless, I think it either gets the job done or doesn't.

I hate a shove because to most semi-thinking players, an overbet shove here looks exactly like a naked NFD or some sort of combo draw.

NH WP'd and nice river bink. Did you at least shout ship it?