V1: goofball. Opens ATC from any position and plays relatively straightforward post. Of little consequence in the hand, as he's sstacked, but for hand-reading purposes it's worth noting that he ships all made hands and draws correctly in proper situations.

V2: I flipped him for 100bb in this session, about 10min before the hand. He's TAG until he loses a pot in any sort of semi-cooler, then bet-shoves TPGK and below. Have seen him fold a 6c straight-flush on T9878cccc to 2.5x-river raise; have seen him stack off on a 3!-shove with 53o on J53 for 200bb vs a super-nit. Basically an unreliable dude who occasionally plays well.

V3: virtual unknown. Have seen him donk into PFR on K/Q-hi board 3 out of last 10 hands. He 3-bet my opens from EP many times at an earlier, must-move. None of these hands went to SD so I'm still relatively in the dark - however, I saw him run a kind of ill-thought bluff with garbage (c/r, ch turn and lead river on a missed draw board). 20s kid headphones seems like aggro rec dood.

Hero: perceived as gambool.

HAND

V1 105
V2 800
V3 800
Hero 700

V2 limps, V3 opens 15 MP, Hero flats CO KQdd, V1 flats SB.

Flop (60) 9d 7d 2s
V1 ships 90. V2 and V3 flat. I elect to flat, closing action.

Turn (420) Kh
Both check to Hero. I lead 225. BOTH flat.

River (420 + 675) 5d
V2 check, V3 leads 350.

I feel like KTdd is an easier call here than KQ, where I essentially hold 2nd and 3rd nuts. At the same time i'm getting over 4-1 and folding is ludicrous.

Thoughts? Also, general comments on the line always appreciated. Unsure whether flatting OTF was too weak given that it's prob the highest my equity will be.

folding isnt a consideration. line seems standard/acceptable.

Villain can have 7 Axd flushes, plus 68d, that are ahead of us. Since we're getting >4:1, he only needs two combos of lower diamonds in his range to make this a call. (And certainly he can have JTd or T8d, at least.) Expect to be beaten pretty often, but folding is indeed ludicrous.

I don't like raising otf for a few reasons. First, it's going to check to us on the turn pretty often, so it's likely we can see a free river if we want to. Second, if we get V2 and V3 to fold, most of their equity in the pot is going to go to V1, because we're likely behind V1 but drawing to the best hand. (The only real exception is if we get AQ/AK to fold, but it seems unlikely they're calling V1's shove with that.) Third, it's a disaster if we make one of them fold worse diamonds.

+1

shove in your last 50 bucks. very nice spot, also ott, i´d love this situation. river is really no question, maybe you are afraid of playing big pots?

Raise the flop.... Ffs.

FD+2 overs you have plenty of equity to build a huge pot.

Raise to $200 OTF... Shove turn.

If you were going to fold the river there is little point in calling a raise raise pre with KQsuited. It's just a cooler if your beat. Hand looks completely fine.

Obv never folding.

I'd just be surprised to see two lower flushes ESP given that the river 5d brings in the straight flush and eliminates 85/65/54dd - the combo draws and FD+backdoor straight possibilities. JT, J8 are really the only reasonable suited Jxdd. The rest of the combos (minus T8dd, which I discount here as OESFD should bomb flop) are AXdd.

If either V flatted something like 97 (for safe turn) or TPTK-GK (A-T9), I'd expect them to bang the relatively safe turn. That they both flatted OTT puts the likelihood of Axdd much higher, imo.

You have 33+% equity against [99,97]. With all the dead $$$ in the pot, you should be pushing, IMO.

Shove the flop

Your perceived range ( or rather the hand these villains put you on) doesn't include much of any flushes, so naturally they play a 4 high flush in this spot as if it's the nuts..,or use it as a bluff card to bet their two pair, straight
Really this is a trivial decision point

The $$$ isn't really dead - V1 is entitled to the main since they flatted his ship.

Which V flats either hand multiway? That's a kind of advanced concept (slow playing 2p+ on a wettish board), unless they're trapping or waiting for a safe turn. Plus, I'll push out dominated FD.

Would you open ship the turn into a dry sidepot? My thoughts were Kh is the nuts, I can bet/call and am happier with a low blank than diamond (though I'm calling diamonds).

I ended up tank-calling to possibly snag an overcall from V2.

Results

My point isn't that they are likely to have the nuts (or nutish), but rather that you have lots of equity against even very strong hands.

I would not open-ship the turn into a dry side pot... which is why I said raise the flop.

Also, if you wait for the turn, you lose 1/2 your flush draw equity. You want the vast majority (all?) of the money going in OTF so you can have as much equity as possible for when the majority of the $$$ goes in.

You also don't want the flush to hit OTT and risk A9 or even 97 folding before they've had a chance to put $$$ in the pot.

There is even a pretty good chance that AdXd folds to your bet OTF. Even if this is a small chance, its worth going for it since you otherwise have such a strong hand. We, in this forum, frequently think our opponents will make +EV calls, but its rarely true. There are many times where the NFD will fold, even getting good enough immediate odds, because they are afraid to play a big hand with "just a draw".

Good points, ESP the last about NFD possibly folding incorrectly. I know that we would beat the field into the pot with A2dd. And I forget that rec players don't understand this concept....