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2-5 KK vs reg bluff catch? 2-5 KK vs reg bluff catch?

03-08-2014 , 04:18 PM
Hero tag 26 asian $1200
Villian tag mid 20s asian $920
Were both regs in this game. Generally stay out of each others way and just stack fish. Generally doesnt pull off big bluffs. Since we dont get involved in many pots together we dont have much history. I think we both respect each others games.

2-3-5
Co limps
HJ limps
Villian btn limps
Sb limps
Hero black KK bb raises to $40
Folds to villian who calls

Flop $90
J T 4 rainbow
Hero cbets $60
Villian raises to $175
Hero thinks for a while and calls

Villian is repping fairly thin here. He never has a set of jacks or tens. Not sure if he would always fastplay a set of 22, and the most likely hand is JT, although i think he doesnt always fast play that either and sometimes he may raise that otb.

Turn $440
J T 4 J rainbow
Hero checks
Villian bets $230 and has $475 back.

I dont think villian is the type to raise top pair hands to "see where hes at" like i said hes a solid reg. Most of the time hes flatting my flop bet with any jack. So the jack on the turn i should view as a good card, since it blocks additional combos of JT, instead of 9 now there are only 6.

On one hand hes repping fairly thin, on the other hes never really busted out a big bluff before. Hero?
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03-08-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
On one hand hes repping fairly thin, on the other hes never really busted out a big bluff before. Hero?
Can't think of too many bluffs he can have either, given what you've said I doubt he's bluffing with this line.

Does he really expect you to fold to that turn bet size after you called the flop raise?
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03-08-2014 , 05:15 PM
Weird. V reps nothing except JT and 44. If he's Asian and TAG he should always be raising AJ/TT+/44 on the button, but he may limp 44. I think 89 would be his most likely hand to play this way with plans to check turn when missed but he picked up a good bluff card. I would have 3b flop to $365 and called a jam though since there's so few value hands he can have and he might get it in with 89 or KQ or Q9
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03-08-2014 , 05:35 PM
I'd be surprised if V didn't have either JT or 44 here (maybe AJ).
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03-08-2014 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Weird. V reps nothing except JT and 44. If he's Asian and TAG he should always be raising AJ/TT+/44 on the button, but he may limp 44. I think 89 would be his most likely hand to play this way with plans to check turn when missed but he picked up a good bluff card. I would have 3b flop to $365 and called a jam though since there's so few value hands he can have and he might get it in with 89 or KQ or Q9
If he's really a competent TAG he is probably raising KQ pre. He is not limp calling Q9. He may have l/c 89 but the crap end of an OESD is not a likely semibluff spot against our perceived range and there is no way he's getting it in with 89 if we 3 bet flop lol.
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03-08-2014 , 06:08 PM
Pretty tough spot. I think the big issue in this hand is that you need to make much more of a decision on the flop as to how you want this hand to play out.

When you call his flop raise, something like 25% of your stack is now in the middle. You know will be oop and you know there's a very good chance he'll continue his aggression on a lot of turns. Further, a lot of turn cards are bad for you or will appear to be bad for you - K (even though it "improves you"), Q, 7, A (even though it's not really likely he's raising the flop with some random Ax hand), to some extent other cards that could give trips (J, T) or cards that could complete weird gut shots will give you pause.

So I don't like planning to call the flop and check/fold safe turns. Seems like a bad plan. But like I said, it's a pretty tough spot, and I can't say I have a much better plan, though I would be tempted to fold the flop, especially since JT and 44, while a thin range, are certainly a significant % of his value range, and I think it's very likely that he's value betting, especially given your read. You also block 1/2 of KQ. He's probably bluffing here sometimes, and he probably should be, because I think folding flop is OK.
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03-08-2014 , 06:09 PM
I think V can have a J here
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03-08-2014 , 07:17 PM
if he was the type to rack off with 98, you would probably know it by now.

he's not bluffy, so just fold to the flop raise.
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03-08-2014 , 08:27 PM
A decent villain should not be limp/calling $40 with 89s. I would expect to see 44 almost every time here. Given reads, the dynamic between you two, and villain's only real possible holding, I fold flop. Seems unlikely villain would try to bluff you off a fairly face-up overpair (not to mention JJ and TT are in your range).
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