2/5, 9 handed, $600 effective with all villains. This game is absolutely nuts, and is probably the craziest game I've ever played in. There haven't been any heads up flops yet, and we're frequently getting 3 ways+ all in pre flops with non premiums. Everyone in this game is a huge fish with deep pockets, except hero and another player who are TAG. Every villain in this hand is a huge fish with deep pockets.

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Hero opens $70 UTG with K K, and +1 calls, +2 calls, LJ calls, BTN calls, and SB calls.

Flop ($425): Q Q 3. SB checks. I had a debate with a friend, and feel super confident in what I did, but he was super confident on the other end. Do you c bet here? If so, sizing?

You mentioned the preflop action, how about post flop? Are these guys taking huge stabs with air / under pairs / bottom pairs? Are they stations?

With less than 1.3 SPR I don't see any reason to bet with 4 players left behind. There is no flush draw and no straight draw to charge. We are way ahead and have very few bad turn cards or we are way behind. I'm x/c/eval unless it goes jam, call, call or something crazy and we can get away on the flop.

Check flop and evaluate. This is a very dry board so you don't need to protect your hand. SRR is low enough that you can easily get your money in with 2 bets. There is a good chance hero is beat, with that many people in the hand even if they are playing ATC the chance is better then 50/50 that somebody has a queen.

If hero checks and there is a bunch of action hero can fold despite the low SPR. If there is one bet and everybody else gets out of the way then probably call but it depends on fish's playing style.

2 Queens left in the deck out of 47 cards. Even if our villains are mucking trash hands like 7 2, 10 4 preflop (and they might not be). I still think we are good here more times than not.

Agree with your other comments tho - check and evaluate based on action, most likely CRAI.

i mean if someone has like 8's or 9s they are probally calling a flop bet and might fold vs some turn bets. and if it checks threw and an ace hits the turn that sucks.

so i think betting is better to get value from some worse hands and to protect a bit.

I’m totally cool with checking here. Yes it risks “the ace” but that’s only going to happen 4 out of 47 times.

If I were to bet I’d be doing a lot of very small betting planning to check most turns. But I’d rather bet like 99, which in terms of their ranges is almost the same thing here, but benefits a lot more from equity denial.


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If H bets probably only getting called with a Q. If V’s are calling lighter than a Q, then they’re probably also betting out with less than a Q.

I would check here assuming someone is going to fire at the $400+ orphaned pot and I’m snap calling. Only way I’m not calling is if somehow multiple people get committed to the pot before it comes back around.

With really only 4 scare cards I’m not too worried if somehow it checks around, but with this cast of clowns it should check around.

It could seem like with $530 behind and a $430 pot that leading makes sense but I think x/c or crai are way more +EV than leading here.

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I never limp raise pre, but maybe this time. Don’t get the 14x open. I’d rather 3x and hope to get raised

+1. We get way more info with checking too, and can easily save our money if somebody turns their hand faceup on the table with Qx aka it goes bet/reshove/reshove or something along those lines.

More of a standard check with bad position; with good position small cbets for protection vs xback is more interesting.

Thats 100p a check.

only 1 card we dont want to see.hand pretty stable. Assume villains will play badly when checked to. im happy check/calling.

Check and evaluate.

Rarely someone will try to steal such big pot without a Q

Very easy check

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Of course a check... Jeez, that was easy. Next.

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I like x/calling here with KK and AA specifically, but I like making a tiny Cbet with 55-JJ, something in the vicinity of $100.

LOL, +1000 close thread.

Lapidator - so what where you thinking calling with K’s?

And OP - what was the counter argument to checking the flop?

sorry, but why are we going 14x pre?

I assume because we’re in a games where 14x goes 6 ways.

Do you mean he should have gone 20+x to thin the field?

I've played in games like that in SoFla, $1/$2 opens for $45 going 6 ways..... They don't happen enough!!

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I am sorry for the late response. Things have been nuts the past few days; school got shut down, my research position got suspended indefinitely, and it looks like I won't be playing live poker for at least a few weeks, so my income is going to be $0 for at least the next few weeks. I wasn't super focused on this hand during that time.

SB is known to stab with air. Aside from that, I'd say they're all pretty stationary, and +2 will overplay hands here like 77-TT (definitely 3 betting JJ pre.)

Agreed about this might be the table to limp-3b pre; I try to avoid playing like GG pre at all costs, but this might actually be the time where his pre strategy makes some bit of sense. I'm not opening 3x, because then we're going 9 ways to a flop almost every time. Limping definitely risks going 9 ways, but we'll be able to put a 3 bet in a majority of the time (though I'm not sure how more often than 50% that is).

I don't like crai at all - that seems like a massive overplay.

I agree, we should've either pulled a GG and limped, trying to limp-3b, or gone at least $100. Granted the table was relatively new, and so I didn't realize that $70 would go six ways - obviously that wasn't my goal.