I know the topic of "do I fold KK preflop" has been beaten to death around here, but I ran into a couple spots that I have questions about the last couple nights; $2/5, 8 or 9 handed:

In both hands, hero is perceived as maniac by some of the older players at the table and regular loose aggro by the rest - I'm up a buy-in after calling 3-bet OOP with 98s then check/jamming on Ts6s3d board and getting called by original raiser with ATo, spade turn leaves him very upset. I've been straddling every orbit and shown down 3bets with K7s (winner) and AQ (chop on 89TJ runout), also within a two-hour stretch I 3-bet but did not have to show down AK, AK, QQ. I'm very active and some of the grumblers are complaining about not seeing limped pots and one short stack suggested I stop straddling.

Hand one ($2/5/10): Hero has KK from straddle with $850 behind. One limper, CO raises to $30, BTN 3! to $75, hero 4! to $200. CO fold, BTN jams and covers. Hero? Also, do I ever call the BTN 3-bet?

Hand two (no straddle, $2/5): Hero has KK in MP with $1000 behind, RFI to $25. BTN calls, BB squeeze to $80. Hero? If I 4!, do I call BB ship?

Obviously this might look like a results-oriented "oh i ran into AA" post, but I am genuinely curious if my preflop play has led me to a leak that I can plug. If not, I'll accept the coolers and just move on.

You have 85 bb effective after the straddle,yeah id need one hell of a reason to fold kk pre....just setups.

I folded KK pre after 4betting w/ 160bb effective yesterday. I drive a Honda.

The idea is to move chips in as fast as possible and as much as you can depending on action in front of you. If any significant amount of chips come from the upfront raiser and callers, you got to move a mountain of chips so you get committed early.

If there's a 4! in front of you .. oh well wtf!.... you shove. Don't fold KK
You'll win more money if you shove KK then if you fold to a 3! or 4!, very rarely you lose to AA but you also win lots of times to compensate.

In the present situation you are right now, you shove. I don't know how much are the effective 80-90bb? ..., wtf? ... shove!

In hand 2, I would just call, IF I really think it is a squeeze play by the BB. We will have position, and can surely pick off at least his cbet.

I had pasta for lunch.

Hand 1 easy call

Hand 2 4bet

These aren't close man

Two KK vs AA in a single session is always gross.

The first one you're 85bb deep(straddled pot) and all of the action is from LP, so ranges will be a bit wider. The 4-bet is good/standard and I like the sizing. Must call the jam. It's 650 to win 1755 so you need 37% equity to break even. If opponent only jams AA/KK and half of his QQ combos you have 40.4%.

In the second hand, does BB have you covered? I think flatting the sqz 200bb deep is just fine. If you choose to 4-bet and get shipped on this deep in a live game you're not going to be happy.

This. Not sorry you lost. Take this garbage to bbv

Well, I don't think this question is that bad. But it's entirely based on opponent. Can they 3! light b/c you are raising light? Or do they only 3! with QQ+ and 5! with AA no matter what?

KK is the second monster, so we call villain shove, - That's simple. Easy

I can see you have a great logical and analytical thinking trying to put villain on some range and some light betting ... etc, but we have a monster and no matter what opponent range may be we cannot fold KK. If he's got QQ+ only we are even 50/50. If he's got JJ+ we got 60/40 and if we include in his hands the AKs ... well, we got 62/38. We not waiting for him to 5! because we 4! as a shove or call his shove and go to the river. Either way you're going to take a bath in the river today, Right now! ... (LOL) ..I mean it..!