V: very splashy. Plays 30-40% of hands. Has been caught bluffing a few times. Covers hero

H: probably viewewed as nitty/TAG by some. Has 660

Cutoff limps, H 20 sb fold cutoff call

(62) Flop Jd 2c 3s

V leads 50 cutoff fold h call

(162) turn Qd v 150?? H..?? Call

(462) River 9s

V 200

I'd go $25-$30 pre, other than that I like post flop. Call river.

Any reads on Villain's donk bets? usually this is top pair in my cardroom. Occasionally a draw but not many draws here. When he doesn't slow down it's smelling like QJ. But as played you might have to call. Would help if you know villain's aggressiveness postflop.

I’d have raised the flop

I’d call river and expect to mostly lose but win often enough.


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Yeah, raising flop sounds good

What's the purpose of raising the flop here? Not saying it's bad.

Donks are heavily weighted towards top pair and draws, though there aren't many draws villain can have here. Given this texture I wouldn't be surprised to see a middle pocket pair, either.

Villains are just so stationary, I don't ever see a J folding to a raise, and probably not a middle pocket pair either.

Value. Fat fat value. Villain should have 0 2 pair combos so his range is almost entirely random straight draws like A4 and Jx holdings. Plus this board should never be donked, meaning he’s likely a bad player. Meaning we should exploit his badness.


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Pretty close, feels like a spot where you gotta be there to know. I suspect it’s a fold, but if he’s a serious button clicker I sigh call.

Against very splashy villain this river is a snap call.

In my game they might not fold AJ to a raise but will likely fold most other holdings. I agree to some extent but it's game and player dependent. Against an overly aggro opponent I lean towards a call. If they suck out, they suck out, but we get more value by calling off. They could put us on AK, AQ, as many regs hate giving those hands up post-flop.

If you make it 130 and they fold QJ, that’s fine though. Rather than going to a turn where they have 23% equity, you win the pot immediately. And if he has A4s w/ a BDFD, he has 32% equity and we’re depriving him of a lot of equity.

The simplistic rule of betting for value or a bluff is still useful, but equity denial is a thing. And when someone does something like Donk a board like this when you have the range advantage, it becomes completely standard to put the raise in and force them into making additional mistakes.

Like if someone told me the result of the hand would be the OOP fish donk - folding top pair on J32r and I’d just get to win the $62 in the middle + a $50 bet without having to see more cards, I’d be very happy.


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Assuming we raise AJ+, what are our bluffs on flop?

If we think they’re donk/folding as much as some people in here fear, we can probably raise any Ace wheel straight draw in our range as well as some total random bluffs like QT or KQ with a BDFD.


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A2-A5 and KQ are good candidates. I would probably raise 100% of those combos vs a lot of recs.

Nice response and I agree with the thought process.

He had QQ. We called River begrudgingly

This is why we want to raise flop too.

These guys are so bad preflop that they can have QQ in their preflop range! Let alone AJ.

We shouldn’t worry about bad players exploiting us. If they do, it’s mostly by accident.


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I think during the hand with the donk lead on that flop I planned to call all 3 streets pretty much no matter what run out. Assuming no more
Jx
So that’s why I didn’t raise flop

Yeah, don’t worry about having hands this strong in your flop calling range. Exploit these people.

I’m not saying he’s an idiot, but flat calling the sb preflop and donking this texture with any hand makes you a poker idiot. When people offer you their stack on a silver platter, take it


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Grunch

Against a splashy and bluffy villain who will see this flop with way too many hands and not be able to get himself to fold a lot of trash I'm going to look this one up. On boards like this for passive people it's the nuts because there's no draws to semi bluff but for splashy people it's air balls because they put you on air ball.

Also, I want to know how strong/weak his limp call range is and what he leads super dry boards with. What does his lead range say about his check range? Stuff like that.

Even villains that limp call pocket pairs wide will let 33 and 22 go so this is a better flop to hero down than J65. If he has 33/22 then now you know he limp calls all pocket pairs and you need to size up pre.

Post grunch.

Raising flop donks is not something I have in my game right now. I play against a number of players who will keep firing air, fold to a raise, and sometimes even 3bet flop to stab back at you and you got to decide whether you are going with just overpair on a 12 spr flop when they have all sets in their range (private games are nuts).

I have run into this being a jack or a lol middle pocket pair sometimes with more standard cardroom bad regs who I don't have much history with. Will consider just dunking on those guys in the future.

Yeah I would save my “let them barrel” with hands that are a little too weak to raise. A hand like QJ makes sense, as we block top pair (so more likely he has one of those strong hands or air) and can turn improvement.

But he’s made two decisions in this hand and they’ve both been fishy. So if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.


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I'm flatting the donk bet. Usually ppl donk out with top pair such as Jacks or queens that are afraid of an ace or king killing their hand, but of course it depends on the villain. If we raise and he calls, we've only inflated the pot with a one pair hand and possibly folding out hands we beat.

However, when the queen comes on the turn (an over card) and he almost pots it, I would fold to most standard villains. Idk how splashy/bluffy he actually is in order to continue.

We can get all in on turn if we raise flop and overbet turn