Relevant history on villain is that he showed a mega 4bet/cbet bluff several orbits ago. Effective stacks were about $1000, he opened to $20 in EP, MP 3bet to $75, villain 4bet to $200, MP called. On a 729 board he fired $300 into $400 and got MP to fold KK face-up, villain showed 44. This is the only big hand I've seen him play.

Hero is BB with $1050
Villain covers

Villain opens to $20 in LP, Hero raises to $75 with KK, villain flats.

FLOP ($150): 783
Hero cbets $100, villain flats

TURN ($350) 783J
Hero?

Critiques/suggestions welcome on all streets.

bet $200 seems about right. I am assuming you get raised here though?

Well the J is not a very good as it completes the oesd,
but vs such a villain you can still vbet.

+1 to betsize. Make it 100 pre since your deep. Might consider flatting too.

Prob call if he shoves, gross spot wo more info.

Edit: think i like flatting pre more

200 ott. Don't think we can fold, we really lose to a very narrow range...I think it's time for turn action from op...

Once we flat aren't we committed to playing a small/medium sized pot? Not necessarily bad, but I just feel like we're losing value not trying to play a big pot vs villain in this spot.

TURN ($350) 783J
Hero leads $275, villain shoves for ~$600 more, hero?

Its decent strat to play smallish pots deep oop

Flatting pre oop vs this villain is pretty dumb. You want to build a pot with a premium vs a guy like this.

It sounds like this is the type of guy that will go crazy with bluffs and draws, and then slowplay big hands. More often than not I'd expect this villain to be raising with a lot of draws, pair+draw on this board. He seems very reckless. I'd stick with my hand.

Baluga theorum right? how does villain view you? because if its TAG then he just saw you 3bet pre when you will be OOP the rest of the hand and then fire flop and turn. With this information he still shoves over top of you on this board...looks like one pair is crushed to me.

I mean has he seen you make any big, face up, folds that would lead him to believe you will fold your obv over pair?

Image should be TAGish, though I loosened up considerably when table was 6-handed for a while. Haven't shown down many hands, definitely haven't shown down any random nonsense, haven't had to make any big folds. Biggest hand I played was another 3bet pot versus a massively laggy donator--he opens oop to 5x, I 3bet to 15x with TT, he calls, flop 5T6 two tone, he checks I bet 2/3 pot, turn 8 adding a second flush draw, I shove he folds. Probably looked very much like an overpair.

bet/folding this spot is gross and ******ed, and bet/calling is equally gross. we know this guy will bluff. check/call and let him.

I think bet calling is fine, we don't have any reads on what kind of 3 bet pots he plays all we know is that he is somewhat bluffy if he has a striaght or a set of JJ good for him

Gross spot here. With out knowing more about Villan it's really hard to say. I really don't like playing one pair hands OOP with really deep stacks unless we can get a big chunk in preflop. ~20%
The board is dry enough that checking the turn could have some merit. I mean when we fire the second time our hand is pretty face up at this point. Unless your capable of multi street barelling AK or AQ and Villan knows this then your hand is transperent.
I think if Villan is going to bluff here. He either raises OTF or when you check the turn.
What is Villans three bet calling range pre? We are only getting in 8.3% of or stack PF so he can call with a lot of hands.Not sure how to play this one out. But if our plan was to get three streets of value by bettin F,T,R this is the wrong Villan to do so against.

I also think it is important to look at the dynamics of Villans earlier 4bet. He 4 bet bluffed OOP and then fired the flop. Villan got a little lucky here. How KK first doesnt 5 bet and then folds flop is so bad. If Villan is good then he 4bet bluffed intending to fold to a 5 bet. Then fired the river hoping is 44 had enough equity when he made a set or flush on the T or R. It's hard to say without knowing the stack size of the first hand he played.

Edit: missed the stack size from OP's original post. This looks really spewy he comitted half his stack with that garbage. Wow it looks more like call now. He pretty much commited himself to calling off the rest of stack in the first hand.

Anyway what happened?

Ok i dont have any problem with c/c down, but thats not answering OP's question. As played what is your action and why?

Appreciate the analysis/critiques everybody. Results spoilered because I wouldn't mind letting this conversation continue.

the turn card is pretty bad for us as any remote hand villain had on the flop just picked up more outs so we guarantee ourselves having to c/c two streets. we hate a ton of rivers (clubs, aces, Ts, 9s, Js), can we really just c/c two streets here?

I feel like bet/x gives us the most information+protection while forcing villain to define his hand.

As we 3bet pre, I don't think villain ever shoves here with a worse 1pair.

I hate unhappy endings. Keeping the pot small pre really avoids us getting stacked here. But who knows, vilan is so spewy he might of stacked himself on a differnt board. As played you got unlucky.
Lets say instaed of J coming off on the river the 2 comes off. He is still calling your turn bet because there is more then enough money behind to match his equity. Betting bigger on the flop or maybe even check raising puts him in a tougher spot where remaing stacks are getting smaller and its harder for him to call and if he is going to continue then he has to bluff.

Lets say you check the flop and villan bets 125 You raise to 425. Now Villan cant call. At least he should not because he doesnt have enough equity to continue on the turn if he bricks and you shove. He only has ~17% equity to hit his hand on the turn and should know that he is likely facing a turn shove if he bricks. So he has only the fold and 3bet shove option remaning. The results ending up being the same if you get it in OTF but you can feel so much better about the hand. It can also set you up for some check raise bluffs in the future as well as potentially slowing him down on some other hands.

I think the main thing we can learn form this hand is that building a pot pre with a big pair OOP and then hoping to get three streets of value form this type of Villan is just not going to happen very often.

No one is going to bluff you here, b/f turn.

vs capable villain who made that play w/ 44 you'd have to assume he's flatting almost 100% of his raising range IP bc he clearly likes to tangle/outplay opponents.

Since he's got such a wide range you have to be willing to get it in on turns like this imo and deal with variance(BUT ALSO BEING AHEAD ALOT) understanding that he knows the J is one of the worst turn cards for you and based on that 44 play is prob shoving the majority of his range on wet turns vs your overpair's 2brl.

Otherwise flatting preflop deep oop vs aggro cap villain is perfectly fine and maybe preferable vs this opp type who's making our lives tougher.

edit: (then again i could be giving villain too much credit or considering him spewyaggro for that 1 hand)

when im this deep and oop i prefer going for 2 streets and pot controlling either flop or turn. since u bet flop im almost always c/c turn and probably c/c most rivers. when i c/c the turn id probably take a while to do so so our hand isnt so face up and it will let villain bluff more often on the river. but i agree with whoever said b/c is gross vs this villain but im never b/f here

also +1 to whoever said flatting pre. not that bad of an idea oop and 200bb deep

+1
absolutely this
turn c/c for me
I do like the pf raise though and flop bet. If villian whiffs the flop is the only street to get some value. 3! pf + c/flop = sets many times so if you c/flop you may not get any turn action either. c-bet and c/c turn for pot control.