200 BB eff 8 Handed

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, LJ folds

Hero in HJ KdKc raise to 35

CO, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls, limpers fold.

Flop (115) Ts8d6h
Blinds check, Hero bet 40, both call

Turn (235) Ac
Blinds check & I check

River (235) Ad
SB leads 60, BB calls 60, Action on Hero?

My flop sizing should be larger? I wanted value but Im not sure about my multiway sizing. & the turn is my card but I felt like with the 2 floats it would be punting to blast on it.

Pretty easy call I think. I can't see any A folding to a raise nor any hands like T8 calling one. We only have to have the best hand here 1 out of 7 times to make this call profitable.

Gotta call here unless enough history with either to make a very exploitative fold.

Flop sizing is fine. Multiway pots require smaller bets.


Turn check is fine. Pretty easy to have gotten called with AXs floating flop with backdoor.


Especially the Ac. Means all 3 of the A that would have called with backdoor flush are still out there.

Bet bigger otf, this is 2/5 not 10/20, your not getting cr bluffed here bc it’s multi-way and people will peel super wide(correctly) you bet so small. I’d bet 80 to fold pot the random gutterball hands and charge all the pair+gutters. There’s also a bunch of bad turn cards so you don’t mind taking it down on the spot.

Turn: again another bet here. Sure they can have Ax type hands but more likely they have pairs and pair+draw hands. Also you can set the price of showdown bc you are likely going to check back the river

River: you’re beat more often then not but I’m not folding getting 5:1. The small bet encourages lighter calls so these guys could easily have Tx. You don’t have to right very often to make this correct

This logic is backwards. Games don't go multiway at 10/20 like this often.


Multiway strategy is geared towards live low stakes. Small bets in multiway pots are not constructed like HU solves are (that's the short version).



You also don't want to fold out the random gutterball hands.



And being c/r bluffed has almost nothing to do with the smaller bet sizing. It's about equity retention in multiway pots and forcing people into stronger ranges.

"folding out the random gutters" is a perfect example of pushing people into a higher range when our equity retention drops in multiway pots.

Agree with yogurt, I want a hand like Q7 to call not fold.

I don't think a small bet allows our opponents to make the biggest mistakes there. If you bet $40 you're giving hands like JT/QT and gutters decent odds to call. Add in the implied odds b/c of your hand and I think they almost have the correct odds to do so. I like the bigger bet b/c it allows our opponents to make a bigger mistake. This is 2/5 and we know they call too wide when they should fold so an $80 amplifies that mistake.

I folded ouch & SB had 62s & BB scooped with JTo. Felt pain

But I like snap folded I didn’t even think about the pot odds a lesson learned

It's amazing that you can be so terribly wrong about the flop and turn, but still get the river right.

Please explain where your disagree with my flop and turn play. Based on the results I think I nailed it

Theoretically, the blinds calling pre-flop "should" be with a stronger range than if they were closing action. Given that, I like the smaller flop sizing.

Turn - once they X/C flop and X turn, I like a small B/F, say 1/3 pot, at some frequency. Get some value from their TX, pair/gut shots. Xing also fine, and if X to on river, value bet.

River - given the price, I'd call with tears in my eyes. We beat BB, but SB ...?

Theoretically, sb should be playing 3 bet or fold. Since he called, we know he's NOT a theoretical player and likely just playing the strength of his hand. His call means he doesn't have a super premium hand b/c he would have 3 bet it pf and he's likely calling w/a worse hand than the weakest hands that a studied player would 3 bet. His range is linearly condensensed toward weaker hands. BB's range is even weaker, he had the chance to sqeeze 3 bet and didn't instead opting for a call. He's getting about 3:1 on his call, his calling range should be slightly wider