$530 effective, 6 handed. Villain is a TAG rec, probably borderline between being a winner and loser in the game. I don't have any helpful history for this spot. Villain probably views hero as tight and very aggressive.

Villain opens $20 CO, loose passive calls BTN, hero $110 BB K K, only villain calls.

Flop ($242): Q J 4. X-villain bets $100-c

Turn ($442): 9. X-villain bets $310-call.

Thoughts?

Not sure why you're checking flop. Just bet and try to get it in. If you have a read that Villain will bet if checked to, then I guess I could see check/shoving the flop instead of betting, but I don't like letting Villain do all the betting unless we know he is capable of driving the action with hands we can beat.

Probably should've just crai otf, yeah.

I've been betting way too much oop, and my coach suggested x'ing range oop in most spots, which does make a lot of sense. I know it's different with 3 bet pots, so this was probably overdoing it.

I'm probably just gonna have to run a bunch of 3 bet pot sims from SB and BB on my next off day.

I suspect you're overthinking the hand, as the best line seems blatant.

It's one thing to study the game, but you post a tremendous number of hands and you have a coach - all while apparently playing daily. I don't understand how you can absorb that much data and truly grasp all of it. Personally, I really need to focus on one thing at a time.

Yeah, I just like posting various hands various places because you can get some really good insight from posters. Even the bad input can be helpful because it makes you remind yourself why what they're saying is wrong.

I do have a coach who is an outstanding player and coach. I try to ask him at least one hand a day, but he hasn't been available for a formal coaching session.

Really, what I'm doing at this point I'd trying to win the absolute maximum at 2/5. You never know what you'll get from posting a hand. I'm thinking about poker all the time, and doing some solver work on the side. Considering poker is pretty much my life at the moment, it's not ridiculously hard to take on multiple concepts at once, especially when I've been doing it for years.

Probably 3b a tad smaller.

Flop, xc seems like the inferior option.

Turn, I might be in the minority on this but but I fold. Having Kh is no good, we're blocking probably the only logical combo draw co can have.

Whats co flatting range when you 3b 5.5x? 88+, AJs+, QJs/KQs/AQ/AK?

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I think crai flop puts most of his range in a bad spot

You're $530 effective. You 3 bet $110 pf. He bet $100 on the flop. He then bets $310 on the turn. Did he really leave just $20 behind or was this an effective shove?

Overpair with <2 SPR? Bet flop shove turn

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As played i check-shove flop here every day of the week, and i dont mind this line a decent portion of the time.

My default with 100 blinds here would just be to bet/stackoff on the flop. If called on the flop i guess we are going with it almost regardless of the turncard when we have the K of hearts.

A few things:

1) Yes, OP is a typo, he didn't leave $10 behind, he shoved

2) The 3 bet was actually small for me.

3) Again, I think I took something my coach said about x'ing range OOP in SRP and checking more often way too far; especially after talking this over with a few really good players, this spot is probably actually a range bet

4) In theory CO's calling range here is supposed to be 22-33, 66-TT, 54s, 65s, 76s, T9s, JTs, QJs, KQs, J9s, QTs, KJs AQs, A3s-A5s, KTs, JJ-QQ (67%), KK (33%), AQo (50%), AKo (67%), K9s (75%), and A8s-ATs (75%.) That's almost certainly not the case, but I don't even wanna try and adjust villain's range without seeing him in this spot. Obviously when running sims, this is the range I'll give.

Did your coach explain why you should check range OOP?

Makes some sense vs. an IP cold caller in theory since their range should be stronger than ours, but that obviously isn't the case live. Even in theory it seems pretty bad to ignore board texture and just completely take the move out of your game.

OOP as the 3-bettor is a lot different because IP's range will be weaker having gotten preflop odds and being capped by just calling. Definitely don't want to be range checking OOP in 3-bet pots in theory or in practice, except when we can expect IP to bet at a high frequency due to having range advantage or because they're a donk.

SPR is under 2. Flop is a range bet for small (like 20% pot)

Turn bet small again.

River we are all in.

As played it's a snap call in theory. In practice, its still a call but we are going to be beat a decent amount here. I don't see many people taking this line as a bluff and I think AQ X's back OTT.

Interested in results

DooDooPoker - I'll share results tomorrow.

Browni - he says it's because the solvers are pretty much rounding down to 0% bet frequency, so he said we can simplify to not x'ing range because of that reason paired with people playing horribly versus flop x's as PFR. I am a little suspicious though, I think I'm going to experiment with doing unbalanced x'ing and betting from OOP - I doubt anyone really adjusts.

As played bet/call flop. Maybe 150.
As played xr flop.

As played maybe donk shove turn, since you aren't folding and may want to protect vs hands that checkback. If we are trying to induce whatever, don't know enough about villain.

DooDoo i don't understand the logic of a 20% pot cbet, especially live - can you elaborate?

As the PFR , the flop certainly fits our 3B range so a bet is in order. Even with AK and the Kh, I would still bet the flop.

But once that bet is called, what can V have? Preflop, if he is calling a BB 3B with max implied odds of 510/90, and he is a TAQ regular, he certainly isn't set-mining low PPs or calling with the great majority of hands you list as the theoretical calling range. He is calling only with strong value hands, which this board also hits. As Balerion noted, your having the Kh eliminates AKh and KQh, so combo draws are minimal.

Your checking the flop also complicates your decision on the turn.

DooDooPoker- villain had T T

Wow. I'm surprised he bet turn here. Usually people are passive in spots like this. His flop bet doesn't make much sense either but maybe he spazzed out vs your check. Interesting.

Thx for the results, hopefully you won

I was a little surprised, too. I didn't play the spot optimally but accidentally made more money doing so. Maybe I should start exploitatively checking range versus this guy until he proves that's not the best?

That's what I was telling my good friend, Dream Crusher, his flop line was abysmal.

River was a brick.

We still want to play 3 streets when SPR's are low (like 2-3). So you see a lot of very small betting in spots like this. It also puts all his Ace high hands in tough spots as well.

Betting big makes your opponent's decisions easier and also lets him off the hook since we will mostly be all in by the turn so now he doesn't have to worry about his river range.

Yeah flop is a range bet but vs this guy specifically I'd check way more vs him. Even in SRP's as well since he will probably spaz.

Some people can't handle it when you check to them after being the preflop aggressor.

Board feels a little too wet for this though?

I follow the line of reasoning but think especially live we are going to prefer 2 bigger streets of value.

A common bet sizing error is people think you are supposed to size up on wet boards.

But it's actually the opposite, you are supposed to size down your cbets on wet boards relative to rainbow boards - not up. We see this with solvers all the time. Run any board that uses OB flop sizing - then run the same board but put a FD on it.

We OB much less.

When a bunch of turn cards can change what a nut hand is - we want to put less money in the pot.

It's the same thing for straight draws. We never OB a 765 board or a T98 board - even if it is rainbow. There's too many equity changing turns to the point where he can't justify using a large sizing OTF.

if this is true he should be fired immediately (not trying to be funny, but if you're paying someone for coaching and you go into c/c mode with KK after 3betting pre, this is the worst line to take considering stacks and reads).

Just bet the flop. I like betting rather than a c/r bc it will fold out TT, and other hands we beat.

Maybe dumb question, but what does OB mean? Overbet.

I'm surprised by the small sizing on wet boards also. I would think that on a wet board, being OOP with small SPR's we would want to decrease positional disadvantage, and in turn only play 2 streets. On the other hand on a k73r board we can use smaller sizing because turns and rivers are easier to negotiate. Whey your solving this are u taking positions into account?

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