Villain 1(500) MAWG is a real fishy station, plays close to 90% of his hands will call ALMOST any pfr with atc and is opening all Broadway cards, 910ss etc...

Villain 2 (1500) unknown Indian kid, takes his time before all decisions I've seen him raise fold the turn on an 775 A. other guy shoved and he took like a minute before folding that's the only hand of note that I've seen I'm my short time at the table.

Hero (520) has a laggy image to most of the table as I've played with them a bunch over the years especially V1. But as far as V2 is concerned, I've been at the table for 2 orbits and opened my button once to 25 over one limper, cbet k52r flop and took it down.

The hand: V1 opens MP 20. hero on btn 3bets to 55 with JJ V2 in SB cold 4bets to 135. Fish folds.

Hero?

Fold. You're never ahead and just hoping to be flipping v AK.

Against an unknown villain I'm folding JJ to a 4 bet unless his stack is so short hero is committed. Most villains are on a AK/QQ+ or tighter range in this situation and your flipping or way behind. Villain has to show they 4 bet bluff or 4 bet light before I'm getting into it with JJ.

Snap fold.

FWIW villain does have a nut spot to be light here, with a loose opener and a 3bet from the button. This is actually a pretty standard light 4bet spot, though you're still not going to see that often live.

One of my favorite players to watch back in the day was Raptor, who did quite a few videos for cardrunners. Oftentimes, he'd get in spots where he'd say "you know, this is a pretty good spot for villain to be owning me here, but you know what, I guess I'm going to fold and get owned."

Honestly, it was a real eye opener for me, watching such an aggressive player make some pretty crazy folds.

Im not saying this is a crazy fold. It's a really standard fold. But try to keep in mind raptor's words of wisdom, even when shown some silly bluff from time to time.

Cold 4! With no history... Standard and easy fold

fold. Ask yourself what are the odds he's doing this with TT or AK.

Also, in position, you don't always needs to 3bet JJ, a med pocket pair...

Right, easy fold, i agree.

because as ava said, "villain does have the nut spot to be light here" and i think its cheap enough to call in position and see how villain reacts on a flop. not in the sense of lol pot odds "cheap enough" but for $80 i can put pressure back on villain without risking my entire stack and be pretty sure that hes going to play fairly strait forward in this 4bet pot. Plus i dont want new indian kids thinking they can 4bet me light and me insta snapping off and then taking a very casual sip of cranberry juice just might do the trick

soooo... flop ($290) 7K4 villain thinks for 33 seconds and bets 100

hero???

Tilts me that V2 ruined your action, so I kinda want to jam in his face with this hand - I guess we need AA to continue against a cold 4b these days.

Agree pretty easy fold to cold 4. but against V1 who is "never folding to a PFR" isn't 3 betting close to our entire calling value range going to be super profitable??

Agree with both of this.

Not sure I even have a flatting range in this spot... especially a med pocket pair.

Preflop: I would have just called instead of reraising, I certainly am folding to the four bet.

I will be 3betting to 105 next time vs V1

(...and V2???hmmmm)

You don't have a calling range on the button..?

???

It's very easy to get value from V1 (with like anything) so I want to be HU vs him whenever we play a pot... if I was in EP and he opened I may flat with some premiums expecting to get sqeezed by some thinking players.

Not 3 betting with JJ here is bad. Not having a flatting range is also bad.

3bet is fine, probably make it bigger for value, fold to 4bet vs a nit. You guys think this indian kid watches upswing videos and recognizes spots to 4bet light? Cmon, this is live.. the only hands people 4bet with are KK and AA. Plus he looks to have a timing tell. I doubt all of his decisions are hollywoodin' it up. He's thinking because he has a hand and he's contemplating how best to make money with it.

^ +1

Before adjusting you want a couple of instances of suspicious behaviour, fold at least once before getting paranoid!