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2/5: JJ in the SB 2/5: JJ in the SB

07-29-2019 , 02:21 PM
V1 (UTG, $560): Slightly loose passive. Preflop range is too loose for this table. Sticky postflop, calls down light yet is afraid to lose his stack. Missed a lot of value on a set vs set hand.

V2 (BTN, $750): He's a "pro". Acting like a douche, knows all the dealers, refuses to chop, berates fish for bad play. I would classify him as SLAG, loves to take advantage of position and equity.

Hero (SB, $480): TAG, haven't done anything out of line, could probably loosen up a little but this table doesn't like to fold so leaning towards value. Double barreled once and gave up on river.

OTTH

V1 (UTG, $560): Limps
MP: Limps
V2 (BTN, $750): Limps
Hero (SB, $480): Raises to $55 with JJ
V1 (UTG, $560): Calls
MP: Folds
V2: Calls

Flop ($170): 844

Hero (SB, $425): Bets $95
V1 (UTG, $505): Calls
V2 (BTN, $695): Shoves
Hero (SB, $330): ??
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07-29-2019 , 02:35 PM
With 66 bbs remaining, calling is fine, though BTN should have a lot of 4X combos in this configuration. Pretty close between call/fold, imho.

Opponent knows UTG will fold, so he could be pressuring a capped range, as well as perceiving your flop bet as small. Could be leveling myself, so live reads itm are important.
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07-29-2019 , 04:35 PM
Seems like an easy call. Our hand is too good to fold, V2 would open any better pair and should be opening 88. The only value hands I can see are A4s, 54s, and 64s. He could be shoving 98 to protect against overcards cbetting, plenty of flush draws to shove, he could decide to shove with a random combo with the As.

This might be wishful thinking but given your read and how good our hand is in this spot, how can we fold? Villain could also recognize that we're playing TAG and that we're likely to bet-fold in many spots.
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07-29-2019 , 04:55 PM
Bet at least 125 otf. Equity protection multiway oop plus still get value from FDs.

As played, you look like you have AK, call.
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07-29-2019 , 05:13 PM
Tough situation.

What hands is V2 limping here with? You can rule out AK, AQ, AJ (possible but unlikely from a "pro"), pocket pairs from AA - 99. Can't have AJss, JTss, QJss or KJss. So that leaves us with AT - A2ss excluding 8 and 4 and suited connector spades. And I highly doubt he limps behind with a large portion of his Ax suited.

The only hands that I could see merit a shove with equity is like 56ss, 67ss or 57ss.

This seems like a hand where V has a 4. Pocket 88's wouldn't do this.

It's very close... if this V has any bluffing tendencies or overplays equity like you said in the description, I would call but if this V doesn't get out of line that often, I would just lay this one down.

Also, size bigger on the flop, it will allow this hand to be played much easier since if they're reshoving after a large sizing, you can fold because the large sizing should disuade any bluffs.
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07-29-2019 , 05:18 PM
V should be opening A4s and only calling pre with maybe 34s/45s/46s, and some of those seem unlikely given how shallow you are and your raise size pre. Can't see folding this one, still have 2 outs plus backdoor FD possibility. if he has a 4 somehow guess you gotta pay him off this time.
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07-29-2019 , 11:12 PM
Pro limp calling btn for 55 pre deserves to get punished.
Snap
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07-29-2019 , 11:25 PM
Make it $40 at most pre, 55 is way too big.
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07-30-2019 , 02:18 PM
Thanks for all the responses.

Quote:
Originally Posted by samo
Opponent knows UTG will fold, so he could be pressuring a capped range, as well as perceiving your flop bet as small. Could be leveling myself, so live reads itm are important.
This was my thinking, I gave him a great spot to bluff.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thetruewheel
Seems like an easy call. Our hand is too good to fold, V2 would open any better pair and should be opening 88. The only value hands I can see are A4s, 54s, and 64s. He could be shoving 98 to protect against overcards cbetting, plenty of flush draws to shove, he could decide to shove with a random combo with the As.

This might be wishful thinking but given your read and how good our hand is in this spot, how can we fold? Villain could also recognize that we're playing TAG and that we're likely to bet-fold in many spots.
Agreed

Quote:
Originally Posted by wewa925
Bet at least 125 otf. Equity protection multiway oop plus still get value from FDs.

As played, you look like you have AK, call.
I've been thinking about this a lot and I initially agreed that my flop bet should be bigger. Then I realized I might have incidentally induced a shove with a small flop bet.

I think this is an interesting situation that I need to study, what range of hands can we get V2 to bluff shove with, with a small weak flop bet. Ironically if I was doing this to induce a bluff then I'm obviously snap calling and not posting this hand on 2+2 so it was clearly unintentional.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
Make it $40 at most pre, 55 is way too big.
I got 2 callers so this sizing at this table was fine.

Results

Flop ($170): 844

Hero (SB, $425): Bets $95
V1 (UTG, $505): Calls
V2 (BTN, $695): Shoves
Hero (SB, $330): Calls
V1: Snap calls and shows 88
Hero: Shows JJ
V2: Laughs and says he needs running 4s

Obviously V1 rolling over 88 is whatever **** happens, this hand is focused on V2. Does anyone else like betting small to induce a shove from V2? That's obviously not what I was intending but if I were in this spot again against a similar villain I think I would do that.
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