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02-29-2020 , 02:32 PM

SpinzFTW

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

$650 effective - main villain is 30 year old asian on the button. Passively vpiping very high - have seen him turn up with tpmk, but also complete sooted garbage.

Otth - hero has JJ in mp:

Utg limps, I raise to 30, co calls btn calls, utg calls.

Flop $127: K 5 7 rainbow

Checks to the button who bets $30

UTG folds

Hero ??

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02-29-2020 , 02:36 PM

XtraScratch8

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 3,580

Pretty easy call/evaluate turn imo.

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02-29-2020 , 02:37 PM

XtraScratch8

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 3,580

I think mixing bets and checks on this flop is fine btw.

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02-29-2020 , 02:43 PM

sixsevenoff

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

Super straightforward call, but I disagree with XtraScratch8...I'm never betting this flop four ways.

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02-29-2020 , 03:46 PM

reaper6788

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,860

Grunch

This is very dependent on BTN and CO imo.

If BTN is a bet when checked to kind of guy and CO tends to be passive I peel one off here. If BTN will check down multiway dry spots often and CO is aggressive I fold.

Readless I peel.

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02-29-2020 , 03:51 PM

reaper6788

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Post grunch. folding ever might be a bit nitty but I think cbetting this 4 ways is burning money. No one is folding a K and I don't think we are protecting much as board looks static.

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02-29-2020 , 07:00 PM

XtraScratch8

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Depending on what you think of BTN and UTG ranges and tendencies here a small cbet seems fine the odd time. If we’re calling $30 why do we hate betting 1/3rd? We have the best hand here a decent amount of the time and it’s super straightforward to play as a small cbet.

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02-29-2020 , 07:10 PM

XtraScratch8

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 3,580

BTN is described a having a high VPIP with “tons of sooted garbage”.
UTG has limp called preflop.
Believe it or not, neither of these players have a strong hand here often at all.

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02-29-2020 , 07:38 PM

fatmanonguitar

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,834

Agree with not-cbetting this flop. It’s ok to Cbet sometimes 4-way on a K-high dry board because it hits your perceived range but JJ is about the worst holding to do it with. Better to cbet hands that have an ace and/or backdoor equity ie AQs.

Calling this tiny bet as others have said totally depends on BTN and to a lesser extent CO tendencies. I’m happy to bluff catch cheap against an IP stabby villain but folding is fine too even though it feels weak. Remember his betting range is also stronger multi-way and some ppl are clueless with sizing.

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02-29-2020 , 10:36 PM

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RoadtoPro

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Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 6,615

I’d much rather bet $30 into 3 people to clear out equity if nobody connected than c/c. Even if it checks through we’re giving 3 people a free card.

Especially since you’ll rarely get raised on this texture.

AP (sigh) snap fold. we’re drawing to 2 outs most likely. And even if we’re not I’m assuming we’re folding if V we’re to fire again.

I’m actually pretty big on price but more so in the context of when we’re drawing or on the river HU. In this case not so much

I would c/c KQ, AK, KK, AA, and 77 & 55 if you’re raising those pre here. c/f everything else 4 ways. sucks you got three callers and the board came K-high

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03-01-2020 , 11:18 AM

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SpinzFTW

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

Results: I flatted turn brought 2d checked to btn who bet 40% pot, I folded the co called. Riv 3, goes check check.

Co has A5, btn had 109o

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03-01-2020 , 11:28 AM

#12

6bet me

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Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,885

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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW

Results: I flatted turn brought 2d checked to btn who bet 40% pot, I folded the co called. Riv 3, goes check check.

Co has A5, btn had 109o

You played the hand perfectly.

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03-01-2020 , 02:27 PM

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XtraScratch8

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It’s almost as though I play against these types of players regularly.

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03-01-2020 , 02:29 PM

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XtraScratch8

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When people are playing garbage ranges that have zero structure you should be adjusting accordingly, even in multi-way pots.

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