2/5 JJ facing turn ship vs bad lag - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Considering the dynamic, the fact you have snapped off his bluffs before. The fact that you think he is FOS, your sizing and leading into the field like that OTT would suggest he has little FE. I just see him having it here.

I see bad LAGs do this, they fire, blast, bomb away with air, semi-draws and marginal hands but once they have a huge hand they switch it up by doing something uncharacteristic. Maybe betting smaller instead of pot sized bets, they check in position, etc.

Since you have rebutted nearly every comment so far I assume you called and your hand was good, I just don't like this spot, and I probably fold given all the dynamics at play.

DGI nails it again, we don't want to play this big hand multiway OOP. We want to iso the bad lag and he will most likely call our 3! while everyone else clears the way.

In position I don't mind flatting with this if it doesn't look to go multiway. Essentially to keep our range wide and to allow him to barrel away. OOP I want the lead

This. And I don't like the term "Bad LAG". There are no bad LAGs, there are LAGs and then there are aggro fish. The opposite of a tight passive player who only bets with the absolute nuts, the aggro fish only checks with the absolute nuts. And when I say only, I mean a majority of the time.

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05-13-2014 , 05:55 PM

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Dominic

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After the stated history, I just didn't see Villain ever thinking you're folding a Q here. Which means this is a fold.

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05-13-2014 , 08:45 PM

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scelsi

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,464

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Originally Posted by LAGosaurusRex

Listen to the recent crushlivepoker podcast hand reading and bad lags, it'll clarify what I meant. FWIW I find "fish" to be a completely useless term that is totally ego-driven. Everyone is exploitable, in different ways...

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05-13-2014 , 08:52 PM

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Tucco

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Originally Posted by dgiharris

There is some merit to just flatting the bad LAG's raise, but ultimately I'd 3-bet pre.

Allowing a bad LAG to keep the initiative is +EV because he should barrel off with a ton of air. However, the problem is JJ is too vulnerable to play multi-way and we'd like to be heads up vs the bad LAG. If we flat, odds are pretty strong other villains come along for the ride as they would want to get a piece of this bad LAG as well.

The other thing is that if he is a bad LAG, odds are he will call the 3-bet!!!

If 3-betting folds out our LAG then that does make a strong case for flatting, however, I don't think so. Bad LAG's generally don't fold to 3-bets unless we blast him for $150 or something ridiculous like that. I expect him to call a 3-bet of $75.

As played, yeah, call....

Agree with all of this. Villain may even spazz 4bet with hands like A7 or 99, depending on how laggy he is.

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05-13-2014 , 10:13 PM

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scelsi

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,464

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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10

So you're OK with V barreling into you IP with air, but not OOP?

This is one of the key problems the LLSNL player needs to address, imo: position is only a tool. Being OOP allows us to do just as much as we can in position. It'seemed just different.

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