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2-5 JJ facing 4 bet on flop 2-5 JJ facing 4 bet on flop

06-29-2015 , 10:53 AM
Hero-22 year old Indian guy moved to the table 20 mins ago haven't raised a pot since I've been here , I don't really know anyone at the table so I've been quiet. An just riffling my chips. I have $355 and I'm in SB.

V- she just sat down and won one hand , she was telling a story how she lost 1300 in one pot the other day, so I'm figuring she plays a lot of poker. Has me covered

Hero has JJ V raises to 20 CO calls( he's irrelevant) I call ( should I 3 bet?))

Flop-1067 pot- 60
I check , she bets 25 , CO calls I raise 100 she instantly 4 bets to 250 hero???????
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06-29-2015 , 11:07 AM
3bet pre is fine as long as you're willing to get it all in when you get 4bet.

Why did you c/r flop? What worse hands are calling your c/r? What better hands are folding?

You're repping TT, 66, 77, and 98 only so when V 3bets the flop, she has you in horrible shape unless she is just the worst.
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06-29-2015 , 11:15 AM
V position? UTG or MP .. $20 a standard open at table?

To bet 25 (less than 1/2 pot) and then 3-bet (not 4-bet) you basically all-in seems a bit strong to me. I am assuming that CO folded to her 3-bet and action is back on you.

I don't really see how you are ahead of much here. AA-QQ/set/89 is ahead. You beat all Tx hands, which can't be too many IMO. Is she really doing this with a 'naked' AK against an unknown?

IMO you are crushed a lot here, but your stack isn't that big to fold either with 'only' 210 behind into $435 ($495 effective). Are you really going to leave $60 behind here? She 'has' to know you have something ... Tx/JJ/QQ/set IMO

You may find out that she is a real gambler and might do this with AK since your stack is 'so' small, but I think this is lighting chips on fire ... but that doesn't mean I don't call my fair share of times either!! GL
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06-29-2015 , 11:15 AM
What position is V?
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06-29-2015 , 11:17 AM
She bet, someone called, you raised, she three bet, not four bet. Might not make any difference but if she four bet, easy fold. If she's responding to your check raise, you might be ahead.
You have no read aside from an idea that she likes to talk big. Some men try to push women around at the table, and some women adapt by calling them down and some by being even more aggressive. You don't know if you V adapts in either of these ways.
This hand, this board, as played: what do you beat? Over cards, AT only. If she has an over pair, it beats JJ, she could have hit a set.
It's possible that she's playing AK this way. She raised pre flop, so 98 is unlikely but possible, esp 98s, though she probably just flats your raise with that.
I'd think you're typically beat here. I don't know if I would check raise this flop. I don't hate a donk bet, don't hate a call. When you check raise, you're basically hoping she's on over cards and will fold, which is the way to win the min. You're not likely to get a better hand to fold with that move here.
It's a tricky spot. JJ can be challenging, esp OOP.
I like playing JJ deceptively from the blinds, so I like the flat call but wouldn't mind a 3! either. There aren't a ton of good flops for you with this hand and your position so playing it a little faster preflop might make it a little easier to say post flop.
I'd probably flat call preflop, check call flop, or lead flop for $40-60. This is a hand I'm pretty willing to get away from quickly. It's a one pair hand, and it's not looking that strong. It's possible that by check raising, you inspired your opponent to play better against you.
I'd put her range as over pairs, AK, AT, and some sets. Tough to think she'd do this with AQ or AJ, KQ or KJ. It feels like, against a reasonable range, your hand is struggling and it's probably a fold, though, if you have any read that she's playing stubborn, that could turn a fold to a shove.
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06-29-2015 , 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShowdownValue
3bet pre is fine as long as you're willing to get it all in when you get 4bet.

Why did you c/r flop? What worse hands are calling your c/r? What better hands are folding?

You're repping TT, 66, 77, and 98 only so when V 3bets the flop, she has you in horrible shape unless she is just the worst.
Very well said in all three spots ...
1) Your stack is too small to 3-bet fold PF .. your choice, set mining is fine
2) You are worried about any A/K/Q/T/9/8 on Turn eh? But, yes, raising turns your hand face up
3) Like I said ... cant feel too good here. Can you win 30% of the time? Doubtful ... GL
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06-30-2015 , 05:42 AM
i play 1/2 and that not for long so take my advice with caution:
i lead the flop and fold to an raise. dont see much here we beat. i also likes to flat JJ and 3bet only vs known loose opponents. lead flop and fold to an raise I think is the most easy line
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06-30-2015 , 10:05 AM
Soooo...

Villain just sat down and immediately started talking about losses (her opening range should be wider than normal)

There is a caller.

You have 75bb and JJ oop.


This is like the easiest squeeze/never folding pre ever. Stacks post flop are kinda wonky, so I am a bit miffed on sizing.

I think 100 is excessive, but an argument can be made for it (leaving 250 behind, pot if villain calls is 220. Planning on shoving most flops, including this one),

75 would be my standard, but it is probably too small (leaves 280 behind, pot is $170, beh. I'd bet small to induce or crai most flops, against this villain I like both on this flop)

I am interested in thoughts on this.

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As played, I don't think c/r is that bad. It overreps your hand a bit, but I am not looking to fold on this flop anyways so I'd rather let this villain toss out a cbet than try to induce with a lead. Once she 3b's my plan hasn't really changed, I am just less stoked about it.
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