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2/5 JJ Bet or X Turn? 2/5 JJ Bet or X Turn?

12-14-2015 , 01:28 AM
2/5
(Limped pot), all my raises kept getting through and i was aiming to limp re-raise as well... (perceived as fit-or-fold preflop).

(MP) Hero $455: JJ
(Sb) V1 $520:
(UTG +1) V2 $950:

Preflop: Limped around, Hero limps, blinds x (7-way to the flop, Pot = 35)

Flop, Pot = 35
762
V1 leads for 20, V2 calls, Hero raises to 80 (2 other v's behind me fold), V1 calls for 80, V2 folds (HU to the turn with V1)

Turn, Pot = 215
K
V1 x, Hero x??? (i was trying to induce a bluff from him OTR or make him x-call with a 7x/any pair hand at the time and i thought this would be too thin if he had a 7x hand, i don't think he would x-raise bluff me in this spot either given i have the range advantage. How often does the Kx hit him here as well...? & does it affect my decisions on river given the way i played it.)

River, Pot = 215
5
V1 bets 80, Hero...

Last edited by Evoxgsr96; 12-14-2015 at 01:35 AM.
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12-14-2015 , 01:34 AM
If you check back this turn, you must call this river bet.
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12-14-2015 , 01:45 AM
raise pre
bet/fold turn.
call river
reads please
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12-14-2015 , 01:46 AM
Reads on V1 is that he is an unknown, but i am perceived to be fit-or-fold/solid at the table besides making a few bad hero-calls earlier......... i don't think i have any bluffs in my range for raising OTF very rarely will I.
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12-14-2015 , 02:29 AM
Is raising pre with JJ in MP after 3 limpers & everyone folding a bad thing?
JJ doesn't play well 7 handed, does it?
Isn't limping pre FPS?
There is a much better chance of someone behind you having AQ+ than QQ+. If you get your wish pre & someone raises to $25, what size raise do you put in then if all fold back to you?

Say someone behind you does raise, you 3! [how much?] & they flat. Then the flop comes Q87r.
What is our plan?

Same scenario only the flop is K87r. Our plan is?

Really need more reads on the table dynamic. Are people limpin' in EP with AA/KK lookin' to score a big one?
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12-14-2015 , 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Is raising pre with JJ in MP after 3 limpers & everyone folding a bad thing?
JJ doesn't play well 7 handed, does it?
Isn't limping pre FPS?
There is a much better chance of someone behind you having AQ+ than QQ+. If you get your wish pre & someone raises to $25, what size raise do you put in then if all fold back to you?

Say someone behind you does raise, you 3! [how much?] & they flat. Then the flop comes Q87r.
What is our plan?

Same scenario only the flop is K87r. Our plan is?

Really need more reads on the table dynamic. Are people limpin' in EP with AA/KK lookin' to score a big one?
My mistake i was in EP (UTG +2)...

You make a really good point actually.
If the flop comes with 1 overcard then you make a good point. We don't know where we stand and villain's ranges are wide and it will be hard to extract a lot of value (as opposed to if we raised) + villain's don't put us on a very strong range so they could bluff us off the best hand possibly.

I just hate playing JJ OOP in a BLOATED multi-way pot. Im guessing if we raised and got 4 callers and the flop came K97 two tone we just check fold and in general we should x-fold with these hands if the flop is with 1 over to our pair and it is multi-way... HU is a different story though. LLSNL multi-way pots x-fold even if the flop comes Q97 and you have TT?
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12-14-2015 , 03:34 AM
Read AbqDave's COTM - Price Inelasticity of Demand. Gives ideas of how to narrow down the playing field.
With 7 players to act [if the limpers in front of you don't hold overcards to your JJ] there is only a ~10% chance someone behind you is holding a higher pocket pair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_...old_'em%29
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12-14-2015 , 03:49 AM
raise pre
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12-14-2015 , 04:49 AM
If your raises are getting through so much that you are considering over limping JJ in hopes to re-raise.
Maybe consider just raising more often instead of trying to over complicate things.
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12-14-2015 , 04:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonkvFish
If your raises are getting through so much that you are considering over limping JJ in hopes to re-raise.
Maybe consider just raising more often instead of trying to over complicate things.
I may be wrong, but I think the more you get everyone to fold pre, including the 2 limpers in front of you, the more you improve your long-term +Ev with JJ UTG+2.
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12-14-2015 , 09:12 AM
Your line doesn't make much sense. You want to limp JJ in EP because your raises are going through but then you want to l/rr? What are you hoping to accomplish? Fold out everything you beat? If the table is tight enough that they're not calling your pfrs then the range they continue against your l/rr will crush JJ.

Why'd you raise the flop? The board is super wet and hits the limping range of a lot of players really hard. Are we trying to play a huge pot with JJ? Why would you check the turn? If you raised because you thought you were ahead on the flop then why not barrel the turn? If you didn't think you were ahead then why raise? Were you trying to get him off 76? I'm not against raising the flop of you have a good reason, but I don't think tou know what your reason was...

As played, I'd fold the river against generic Vs. It completes two of the monster draws from the flop and the bet seems like it's asking for a call. In the future, I'd raise pre, bet the flop and bet the turn. Is bthere a reason you are playing 2/5 instead of 1/2?
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12-14-2015 , 09:24 AM
If everyone folds to your preflop raises, you should be opening wider to at least pick up the blinds. So please, please, please raise JJ. Anyways, JJ 7-ways to a flop kind of sucks in the first place.

You shouldn't raise the flop for everything aftrglw said.

Why didn't you bet the turn?

OTR you do not have to do anything as someone previously said. If you think villain is uncapable of betting any hand here weaker than 2pair you shouldn't call. Just because your hand is "under-repped" in a really weird way doesn't mean you must call. That river sucks and fills out a ton of draws villain probably had.
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