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08-05-2023 , 03:39 AM
H has been at the table for about two orbits. +1 in that time iso'd a limper with a weak K from lp twice. He seems competent and covers hero. Button's stack went from 1.2k-ish to about 300 over the last 7-8 hands, so very possibly tilted.

H (1k) opens UTG to 25, +1 3b to 60, bu cc, folds back to h who calls. The sizing threw me off. It's a "call me" 3b in ep vs ep formation. Anyone 4b?

160: 532 x around
160: 5 H check, +1 60, fold, h calls.
280: 5 H check trying to catch a bluff.


- Anyone x/r turn or keep villain's bluffs in?
- On the river, do we block bet small and try to get a crying call from an Ace high? I don't think v has stuff like 66-88, and I think 99-AA c-bet flop and def make a bigger bet on the turn.
- Thoughts on other streets?

Last edited by Balerion1; 08-05-2023 at 04:06 AM.
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08-05-2023 , 04:00 AM
Line looks fine. You need some bluff catchers and this seems like a perfect hand for that. Im not raising river even though we are likely ahead what worse calls the raise except a guy who thinks you have air…..which seems fairly unlikely since you opened utg. How many players are check raising AQ or AK as a bluff in your position on the river?
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08-05-2023 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Line looks fine. You need some bluff catchers and this seems like a perfect hand for that. Im not raising river even though we are likely ahead what worse calls the raise except a guy who thinks you have air…..which seems fairly unlikely since you opened utg. How many players are check raising AQ or AK as a bluff in your position on the river?
I edited the OP, I meant to say does anyone x/r turn. I think you were also referring to turn when you said you're not raising. Apology for the confusion, I'm doing these hand write up after a 10 hour sesh .



On the turn, I am mainly wondering if a x/r makes some sense to protect our hand against KQ, and potentially any broadway Ax villain may check on the flop.
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08-05-2023 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
I edited the OP, I meant to say does anyone x/r turn. I think you were also referring to turn when you said you're not raising. Apology for the confusion, I'm doing these hand write up after a 10 hour sesh .



On the turn, I am mainly wondering if a x/r makes some sense to protect our hand against KQ, and potentially any broadway Ax villain may check on the flop.
No worries happens to me too when doing write ups. I dont want to be the guy at the table writing hands down to be seen as a thinking player. I was referring to river since you had said that in the OP. I think you can raise turn at some frequency yes. Think call or raise is fine. I think you need some strong check calls in your repertoire though so id llean that way vs most players
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08-05-2023 , 05:02 AM
I think it's pretty close, but depending on V, I lean to 4! pre. The button has $300 and almost certainly a worse hand than yours. If you can get through the 3 bettor, I think it's very likely you can basically get it in with the button. Maybe you could make it 210, so the button has less than $100 left if he calls.

Flop fine.

Turn I bet out. You got a great card on the turn and our hand needs protection. The 3 bettor is kind of handicapped throughout the hand due to the shortie behind him. He really doesn't want to make a move and just get called by a PP.

Another thing is, the 3 bettor probably has an ace in his hand. It could be AA. But I tend to think AK, AQ etc. Obv more combos. But those hands don't mind playing passively so much with a gutter and 2 overs. I guess AA just wants to start getting money in. Why check and lose action if a K comes?

River is fine. V might abort mission on his bluffs, as it's pretty hard to make people fold full houses, which you obviously have. Maybe this is the kind of spot where you can bet $20. It's painful for him to fold even ace high. But now a bluff might look good to him.
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08-05-2023 , 05:34 AM
If +1 is competent, it's very hard for us to 4bet here. with jj.

3bet range vs UTG in full ring is like 5% from all positions.
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08-05-2023 , 08:06 AM
3w i think Hero should lead turn, +1 will often bet better overpairs on flop.

Checking river with intention of calling normal-sized bets, evaluating overbets.
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08-05-2023 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
I think it's pretty close, but depending on V, I lean to 4! pre. The button has $300 and almost certainly a worse hand than yours. If you can get through the 3 bettor, I think it's very likely you can basically get it in with the button. Maybe you could make it 210, so the button has less than $100 left if he calls.

Flop fine.

Turn I bet out. You got a great card on the turn and our hand needs protection. The 3 bettor is kind of handicapped throughout the hand due to the shortie behind him. He really doesn't want to make a move and just get called by a PP.

Another thing is, the 3 bettor probably has an ace in his hand. It could be AA. But I tend to think AK, AQ etc. Obv more combos. But those hands don't mind playing passively so much with a gutter and 2 overs. I guess AA just wants to start getting money in. Why check and lose action if a K comes?

River is fine. V might abort mission on his bluffs, as it's pretty hard to make people fold full houses, which you obviously have. Maybe this is the kind of spot where you can bet $20. It's painful for him to fold even ace high. But now a bluff might look good to him.
Yea, I think I misplayed the turn. I don't mind the turn check because feigning weakness will incentivize +1 to bet. What I don't like is not x/r. I think protection is important in this spot.



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Originally Posted by Solving Live Poker
If +1 is competent, it's very hard for us to 4bet here. with jj.

3bet range vs UTG in full ring is like 5% from all positions.
Agree.



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Originally Posted by monikrazy
3w i think Hero should lead turn, +1 will often bet better overpairs on flop.

Checking river with intention of calling normal-sized bets, evaluating overbets.

Are you saying lead turn and then check with the intention of calling a river bet? Or check river AP and evaluate?
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08-05-2023 , 05:37 PM
Saying i would check river as played.
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08-06-2023 , 05:45 AM
4-bet pre to whatever BTNs stack is...300$
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08-06-2023 , 06:04 AM
Fine as played. Cold call makes 4bet more viable but not enough to override the main factor which is that it's early vs early.

Postflop is fine as well, probably close between a turn check or bet but this looks good overall
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