hero ($1500) - very tight image that people at the table have been vocal about.

utg ($135) - mid-aged black, is a terrible reg at my casino and is drunk from several shots of rum within a short time. just got coolered in a big pot.

utg+1 ($1000) - mid-aged white fish that is more drunk than utg; he keeps getting challenged to drink more and he obliges. plays virtually every hand. just here to gamble, chases any sort of draw.

field - mostly nitty, a couple $1000 stacks in mp, couple $700ish stacks in the blinds, one stack around $200, rest about $500. All are obviously trying to trap the two visible drunks.

utg open shoves
utg+1 calls

I believe both to be doing this rather light.

utg+2 hero has 22 and wants to ship....

i don't want to play a $2300 pot preflop with 22 in a 2/5 game regardless of any read.

Assuming each of them have an ATC range, you fold. You're not getting pot odds and that's how good your hand is.

You're kidding right?

Poker stove is your friend.

hero wants to gamble, let hero gamble. keep in mind though that its -EV

LOL

What is your question?

Just to quickly save the thread and offer something for newcomers, what are the odds somebody in this hand has KK+ for 8/9/10 handed tables?

deuces never loses

i dont know man, what about treys?

fyp

Fold, you're almost certainly behind his range here.

Seems pretty ridiculous, but I hear you OP.

This is something you can calculate almost perfectly.

I'm not going to do it for you, but how about you take a shot. The variables that matter:

Pot:
$135 from opener, $135 from caller, $7 from blinds = $277.

Situation:
a) If you raise and everyone folds back to you, you'll be getting right around 2:1. i.e. need 33% equity against villain. Stove some ranges for villain.

b) There are still a ton of players left to act, including the guy who already called. That is really bad for you. Make an assumption about what they need to call your shove (JJ+? AK?) and then calculate how often someone remaining will have those cards. Then calculate the new pot sizes and equity in those spots.

Thinking about the above intuitively, it's pretty obvious that shoving would be massively -EV. Even if we have tons of fold equity against everyone else at the table, your equity against the opener probably isn't even good enough.

If you want a sure answer, go ahead and calculate it.

id shove like 88+/AQo+ maybe 77+/AJs+ think 22 is too loose the drunk fish will call you way too often.

22 is a clear fold, 33 is a snap call fist pump flip my hand up before it even folds back around, scream in the dealers face "Thank you motherf*****! FINALLY!" And run around the table giving every one a high five. Then run over find floor give him a 2 handed high five + $10 tip

Get it in timmay. Pray to flip, pray to hold. Vamoooooooooo.

I was thinking the same thing

grunch: this is stupid. I don't really have anything else to say. Gamble if you want, but that's exactly what it is, and not even a good bet.

Ummmm If you are wanting to shove, you should explain the anticipated ranges and stove it. Then check in to the nearest hospital.