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03-19-2012 , 02:18 PM

mushtart

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 137

Villian is a calling station...plays EVERY HAND and takes any pair to the river. In a recent hand lost $200 after calling flop,turn,and river bets with 99 on a King High flop against preflop raiser who had KT. he's steamed up after losing hand after hand and is on his 3rd rebuy.

Villian and i both have $500 stacks.

Preflop: Villian straddles to $10. Two folds and i raise to $50 with KK. Only Villian calls.

Flop ($107) (stack size=$450; SPR=4.5): 8

. Villian checks; Hero bets $75; Villian calls.

Turn ($257) (stack size=$375; SPR=1.5): 9

. Villian leads out for $100. Hero???

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03-19-2012 , 02:36 PM

ThierryHenry

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 603

I'd probably just shove. On a dryer board I'd flat with the intention of calling any river bet. Steaming villain's range is so much wider than 9x+ that I really can't see folding here being good.

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03-19-2012 , 03:25 PM

fatmanonguitar

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,834

As described his range is massive. You can't flat his turn bet on this board. I shove and expect him to fold or call with worse pairs and FDs a lot. With so many draws he would prob check again to you OTT if he boated up.

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03-19-2012 , 07:23 PM

wWizardG

banned

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,126

flatting is out of the question. If he has any kind of draw, we need to get money in on the turn before he sees the river.

So it's fold or raise.

Folding just feels wrong... he should really be checking if he boated up; does he ever slow play?

I shove and pray.

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03-19-2012 , 08:13 PM

DonkeyDonk

adept

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 823

So brutal. I think I could find a fold here.

When a massive station bets out, alarm bells should be going off in your head. His calling range might be wide, but what's his donking range? For a station, it should be pretty narrow.

I think villain would be content to call down a FD/SD or PP. I doubt he'd suddenly see a great opportunity to put you in a tough spot with your OP and fire into you OTT.

One thing I wouldn't do is shove. I'd rather call this cheap bet and see what he does OTR. Gives us more flexibility in position and makes him face one more decision OOP.

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03-19-2012 , 08:33 PM

jack492505

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,272

Its hard to answer this kind of question about a really crazy fish. Usually in this type of spot you just have to figure it out from how the guys play. I have played with guys that match your description that I snap fold against, but I have also played against guys like that that I snap shove against.

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03-19-2012 , 08:37 PM

L wanderer

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 300

^+1 It really is player dependent, it seems you have history so, does villain donk bets strong or when he is drawing. Shove or fold

imo shove

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03-19-2012 , 08:56 PM

Hazardous Blount

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 264

calling is clearly optimal. Play a river in position. Shoving is pretty darn bad. He either has us beat or has very little equity. This makes shoving a poor decision. The river may require a soul read (creating even more profit from the situation if correct).

I understand that all u non-thinking proles out there just don't wanna deal with any more thinking and say mehhhhh shove $375 so I can be done with any thought process and give away my advantages.

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03-19-2012 , 08:56 PM

kenji08

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,360

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Originally Posted by DonkeyDonk

So brutal. I think I could find a fold here.

When a massive station bets out, alarm bells should be going off in your head. His calling range might be wide, but what's his donking range? For a station, it should be pretty narrow.

I think villain would be content to call down a FD/SD or PP. I doubt he'd suddenly see a great opportunity to put you in a tough spot with your OP and fire into you OTT.

One thing I wouldn't do is shove. I'd rather call this cheap bet and see what he does OTR. Gives us more flexibility in position and makes him face one more decision OOP.

i agree with this. and i read someone said we shove and he should fold often, this is flawed thinking, if he folds then were doing something wrong unless were trying to bluff him. yea the board is scary but shoving here i think is out of the question IMO because hes just snapping off with 8x/9x and folding all his air/random spazz that everyone thinks he has.

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03-19-2012 , 09:44 PM

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LotGrinder

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,394

I fear any call station that all of a sudden starts betting out instead of his beloved check/call....

In this situation, he didn't flip out and go all in when the board paired..so idk for sure if he has the 9..

I'd call and see what the river brings.

If flush card hits it might slow him down and we could get a check/check situation.

If flush card hits and he barrels out huge, fold.

If blank hits and he barrels out huge, fold.

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03-19-2012 , 11:29 PM

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DevinLake

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17,026

I hate this spot because I try and convince myself he has 44, or a flush draw that he realizes he can't c/c with any more. Neither of those make this a shove though imo.

I think it's a fold...but I dunno, it's gotta be close. I think shoving is probably bad, although there's an argument for protecting your equity...but you get it in really bad mostly imo.

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