Villain, UTG Straddle ($1200) - Early to mid-20s, short, slight-build white guy, doesn't look internet-ish, maybe a bit preppy with a newsboy cap on. Kinda talky and jokey a bit, doesn't seem like the "silent, ultra-focused" type. Not NEGREANU chatty, mind you, but you won't forget he's at the table. Been at the table just over an hour, but has already more than doubled his stack playing LAGgy, and playing bout 70% of hands from ANY position, raising maybe 2/3 the hands he plays, from ANY position. He's straddled every opportunity, and has only ONCE not raised his straddle when it's come back to his option. Only decent-sized pot he lost, he had raised PF from UTG+1, was called in two places. Flop comes 875r, he donks, gets raisd by young Asian girl, he shoves, she calls. Turn 7, river A, he says, "I missed," she shows 89s, he mucks.

Hero, BUT w/JJ ($450) - I've been at the table about 2.5 hours, and been playin TAGgy as hell, to the point of nittery (SO card dead so far in the session, and there aren't a lot of passives at this table, and they ALL had 160BB+ stacks when I sat). This is only my SECOND session at the $2-5, and I've played against none of these villains at $1-2, so we're new to each other.

Pre-flop: Villain straddles, and it folds around to me. I limp with the intention of 3betting his straddle raise. BB calls, and like clockwork, Villain raises to $35. Imo, his range here is pretty wide open. I re-raise to $115 and BB folds. Villain starts to tank, and looks at me. I'm kinda just lookin at the table, bobbing my head a lil to my headphones. He starts thinkin out loud, says, "You limp/raised button with Aces or Kings or somethin? Whaaaat, that doesn't make sense..." He tanks a lil more, maybe ten seconds or so, and says, "All in." I snap.

Now, at this point, I'm putting him on a range of 88/99+, ATs+. At that moment, I didn't see him doing this with a lower suited Ace, and I thought 77 and lower was pretty iffy. Am I SPEWTARDED for thinking that JJ has equity vs. this type of villain's 4bet-shoving range? And going back farther, was I leveling myself thinking of limp-raising JJ from the button against a villain that usually raises his straddle? Or should I open-raise there, if nothing else just to keep myself out of spots like this?

Thanks for all replies, and please, I know it's hard, but try not to assume I lost this hand just because it's here. I'm really looking for analysis of this play vs. this type of villain. I'm new to $2-5, so I'm learnin the ropes of what, to me, is the "big game" lol.

Oh and sorry, Stove doesn't work on my cpu for some reason, I've got PokerZebra if any of you have heard of that one. So I can't do those pre-flop range calculations (i.e. what's JJ's equity vs a range of 9 possible hands a villain could have, before the flop). On Zebra, I have to enter players' hands, and enter AT LEAST a flop, and then calculate equity from there.

Thanks again all.

Fist pump call.

Youre not taking into account that sometimes he has random garbage, and is shoving because he thinks youre re-stealing. If hes playing that aggressively, and youve seen him 3b shove semibluff (or total bluff) at least once already, his range is way wider than youre giving him credit for. Sometimes, hes just not value shoving here. It can be a bluff... and that tanks his range's equity against your jacks. If it turns out he has a big pair learn to run better.

FWIW though, im fine with just flatting the jacks here. I dont mind playing JJ INP against a fellow prone to spaz

my guess is that your up against AQ suited minimum, i call this off though. there is enough in the pot already with the straddle and everything and i just hate folding... def not happy, he could have 3 hands that crush us, AA, KK, QQ.

what about this description makes you think youre up against AQs+

because you have to factor in that villan wants to make money, hes obviously thinking, and if hes smart enough to notice OP's nittyness he shouldnt do this without a premium.

if he noted Heros nittiness, hes likely to think that hero is going to fold anything but AA KK the first time he 4bs

This.

I have no issues with your play. Nh.

Yeah, I thought about this as well. I guess in the end tho, I kinda didn't want to leave his range open, if that makes any sense? Like I said, I feel he's wide open when he raises his straddle, and there are some FML flops to my hand vs. a wide range imo. Is that wrong? Do I want to leave his bluffs too wide open here, even tho JJ is pretty vulnerable on future streets?

@Bubonic - yeah, this makes sense too, but due to villain's seeming lack of positional concern, his aggressiveness seemed less thoughtful, and more "aggressive cuz that's the way to be" lol. But yeah, if he's a thinker, you're probably right, I'm either racing or CRUSHED here.

if you're that worried about the flop you can just reraise to $200 but i like your line plenty

why did you take this line preflop if you are not willing to go on with this hand?

I don't really like this play preflop for a few reasons:
1) it is rare this works out the way you want it to because other villains are usually trying to trap as well or just don't fold in general
2) you are negating you POS edge somewhat by putting so much in preflop
3) it is difficult to make a decision if you get shoved on which happened in this hand

So the story goes like this:

Inactive nitty TAG suddenly limp reraises and villain shoves over for almost 100BB's.

Villain's range for doing this is AA or KK and if you're really lucky AK.

As played - fold to shove.

This speech and the fact that you are posting this makes me think he had QQ (or AK). He's named the only two hands that worry him.

I'm fine with how you played it, though.

Is it really going to work out better if you just raise pre-flop and get 3-bet? This kind of villian is going to stack you when they pick up a big hand, because there is just no getting away from premium cards when a very aggresive player happens to have you notched.

As for people saying his range is just AA and KK, that's crazy. These types of players put their chips in a lot lighter than that. They aren't thinking "this guy's so tight, I better not play a big pot without the goods", they're thinking "this guy's so tight I can push him off his hand"

You started this hand with the intention of trapping this guy and now that he's putting the money in you wanna think about folding. Snap call. With others in the straddle i would definitely be open raising.

Def snap call. You're probably about 60/40 vs his range, unless we put more than one random garbage hand in there, but with 240 dead in there, its a super-dooper must call.

Easy call. Is this the Horseshoe in Hammond, IN? I play 2/5 there and can think of two 20-ish dudes that wear newsboy hats. Neither play the laggy style you described, however.

So villain has tells us he's putting us on of a range of AA or KK and still decides to overshove!! Sweet mercy this would be alarm bell... no, god damn air raid siren going off in my head.

He's not putting him on aces or kings...are we reading the same thing

Villain says to hero "You limp/raised button with Aces or Kings or somethin? Whaaaat, that doesn't make sense..." ?

What range do you think villain has OP on when he says the above to him? More importantly what range does villain have to have to feel comfortable shoving into the nitty TAG's limp-reraise trap?

My instinct on this is that he likely has AK/AQs or maybe TT+. In my experience with LAGtards live is that their 4bet shoving range is VERY small, but their calling range for your 3bet shoves is a little bigger (AJ, KQs, etc.).

I think the call is the right play, but also think you are flipping most of the time while being ahead maybe 1/4 of the time, and behind 1/4 of the time.

Also, I think you could make more money on this hand by calling preflop. If you raise, he will be folding a lot of his range, and shoving a lot of hands that you flip against. I prefer a call pf and raise his cbet on a favorable flop.

Justin

He's saying it doesn't make sense he'd have aces or kings. Also your implying this Guy is competent and knows what a range is....from the sounds of it he doesn't have one.

Justin

He's saying it doesn't make sense he'd have aces or kings. Also your implying this Guy is competent and knows what a range is....from the sounds of it he doesn't have one.

Villain's competent enough to know that limp/reraise often is AA or KK - he's even saying it out loud.

So villain says out loud he thinks Hero might l/rr with AA or KK and then proceeds to shove over with a dominated hand like QQ, TT, AJ, AQ, AK? Lol, not a chance unless the guy is completely ******ed.

Anyway I'm done with this thread. I have my opinion and you yours and we differ and that's fine, let's agree to disagree .

i agree with this. to me, this speech narrows his range to QQ+, AK. without the speech, id be inclined to call

You guys aren't reading it properly he's saying and I quote "you have aces or kings...no that doesntbmake sense"

So he's saying basically Your trying to Rep aces or kings...no I don't believe you your making a move.