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05-03-2018 , 11:10 AM
This 2/5 game is the only 2/5 game running. Table opened about 3 hours ago. Hero has been at the table for the last hour. Villain has been really active. Doesn't do a ton of 3! but opens a lot of hands. He can show up with a pretty wide range at show down.

Hero has been playing mainly tight thanks to being card dead but did show down A4 on a hand that I 3! earlier.

Effective stacks are $1200.

Villain ($1800) opens to $20 from UTG. Hero 3! with KK to $85. Folds back to V who asked if I have over $1000, looks at my stack, and calls.

FLOP: ($172 after rake) K82

Villain checks to Hero who bets $95, Villain calls.

Turn: ($362) 10

Villain checks to hero: Hero?
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05-03-2018 , 11:14 AM
Check back

I played a hand almost exactly like this a few weeks ago. I had KKK and the flush hit the turn except I didnt have the K of the flush suit. I bet and got crai and had to fold. The bet was just to big to call. Thankfully he showed and had the flush. You have the K of the flush suit so I check back.
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05-03-2018 , 11:17 AM
I like betting here since we have the option to check back the river. I would range him on small to med PP's mostly as well as some Axs hands especially since he asked about eff stacks before calling pre. We also have a redraw to the second nuts.

Bet 190

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I played a hand almost exactly like this a few weeks ago. I had KKK and the flush hit the turn except I didnt have the K of the flush suit. I bet and got crai and had to fold. The bet was just to big to call. Thankfully he showed and had the flush. You have the K of the flush suit so I check back.
I think when he raises from UTG he has mostly PP's since we block AK/AKs and not that many heart draws.
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05-03-2018 , 11:28 AM
I would check to get him to lead the river on a non heart
if he has pocket pair not AA and no heart he will fold to the turn bet

lets try to get some river value in
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05-03-2018 , 11:47 AM
Check back. Call or bet every river.
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05-03-2018 , 11:51 AM
I don't like a bet/fold, and I'm not thrilled w/ gii, so I check and call almost any river bet, especially if he's been aggressive.

(I don't think he's calling with worse on the turn.)
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05-03-2018 , 11:54 AM
Check this back only because it is posted in this forum.

In real life, bet $150. Hearts make up such a small portion of his UTG raising range, especially with us having Kh.

In heads up pots, people in this forum are way too cautious when a 3-flush shows up, probably because a higher proportion of hands that go wrong get posted in this forum. If a blank shows up on river and V checks I'd bet small again for thin value.
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05-03-2018 , 11:56 AM
But what worse calls on the turn? And do you fold to a raise? If he's any good, he'll check/raise with the naked Ah. Do we just gii here?
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05-03-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Check this back only because it is posted in this forum.

In real life, bet $150. Hearts make up such a small portion of his UTG raising range, especially with us having Kh.

In heads up pots, people in this forum are way too cautious when a 3-flush shows up, probably because a higher proportion of hands that go wrong get posted in this forum. If a blank shows up on river and V checks I'd bet small again for thin value.
Not all spots are created equal.

My thought process is :

The part of his range I'm beating I am still beating and am basically afraid of zero river cards. Sets and smaller PP's. Might not get calls from the smaller pocket pairs, the sets I will get it all in on any non heart river.

The part of his range I'm behind I still have a draw to the second nuts and a draw to fill up.

I would hate to just bet because "people are always scared of the flush draw but I'm not going to be that guy so I bet". There has to be more thought behind it.
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05-03-2018 , 01:02 PM
$200/call

Checking back is truly stupid. I mean come on.
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05-03-2018 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
$200/call

Checking back is truly stupid. I mean come on.
Why?
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05-03-2018 , 01:27 PM
Because we have a good hand and should valuebet. Kx, sets, and pocket pairs with a heart are all calling and may not call on a river. We want to stack a set in particular, and we can’t do that by checking. But there’s a ton of JhJx stuff that’s calling here.
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05-03-2018 , 02:01 PM
No reason to assume a V who has a super wide opening range is only continuing with a flush when faced with your turn bet.
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05-03-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Because we have a good hand and should valuebet. Kx, sets, and pocket pairs with a heart are all calling and may not call on a river. We want to stack a set in particular, and we can’t do that by checking. But there’s a ton of JhJx stuff that’s calling here.
Bingo.
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05-03-2018 , 02:23 PM
250/gii. Imma pretty big fan of toppest set
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05-03-2018 , 02:41 PM
Put me in the bet/GII camp. Uncomfortable situation if we get raised, but we're missing value from AK/KQs-KTs/QhQx/JhJx/9h9x/TT/88/22 by not betting -- some of which might overplay raise this turn beside just x/c. We're really only worried about ~ 7 NF combos & a few broadway flushes, all of which we have redraws against anyway worst case.
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05-03-2018 , 02:45 PM
This is a bet AINEC. Checking back here is missing value from v's potential sets and flush draws.

Checking because you're scared of what to do facing a c/raise is bad. Too many posts on here go along the lines of... "but if we do that we might have to face a difficult decision, I'd rather do this instead because then I won't have to think!"
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05-03-2018 , 02:49 PM
I bet 150-200/GII here. V sounds a little sticky and likes to call down.
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05-03-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CoolhandLuke88
This is a bet AINEC. Checking back here is missing value from v's potential sets and flush draws.

Checking because you're scared of what to do facing a c/raise is bad. Too many posts on here go along the lines of... "but if we do that we might have to face a difficult decision, I'd rather do this instead because then I won't have to think!"
The check-back gremlin in many player's heads (including my own) is a very real thing. Not necessarily implying that's what's motivating the check-back suggestions thus far, but I do think it's an interesting point to note.
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05-03-2018 , 02:58 PM
If I were 100bb, I'd bet, but 240bb is a bit much for me to gii on the way this hand was played. Yes, we have top set and the second nut flush draw, but if he raises us on the turn, we really need to soul-read.

Nothing in the thread shows V as a calling station, either, so I doubt he's calling w/ the naked A hearts, but he might so do we fold to a heart river shove? And I think if he had a set, we would know it already. What else is he calling with?
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05-03-2018 , 03:03 PM
More combos of flushes then sets. 9 combos of sets and at least twice as many combos of flushes. Bet like 1/4 pot is probably better than checking. Also bet smaller on the flop, we mainly want to be using larger sizing for value/bluffs on turn and rivers mostly
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05-03-2018 , 03:11 PM
Hero bets $215 on the turn.

Villain thinks about it for 1-2 minutes and flips over Red Queens and folds.

This made me wonder what hands I’m getting value from in this spot and if a turn bet makes sense.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.
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05-03-2018 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thin_slicing
Hero bets $215 on the turn.

Villain thinks about it for 1-2 minutes and flips over Red Queens and folds.

This made me wonder what hands I’m getting value from in this spot and if a turn bet makes sense.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Well played, don't go down results oriented road. Many villains would have made the call there. I preferred smaller sizing ($150) to try to get a call from that kind of hand, but I don't think $215 is bad.
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05-03-2018 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by thin_slicing
Hero bets $215 on the turn.

Villain thinks about it for 1-2 minutes and flips over Red Queens and folds.

This made me wonder what hands I’m getting value from in this spot and if a turn bet makes sense.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.
All you that want to GII on the turn miss the big concept of what can V have that he would call with.
look past level 1 IE : what I have

a check may have gotten a perceived value bet from V on the river
or a crying call to yours.
Its not always about how can I GII
not to be results oriented but look above
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05-03-2018 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Well played, don't go down results oriented road. Many villains would have made the call there. I preferred smaller sizing ($150) to try to get a call from that kind of hand, but I don't think $215 is bad.
op posted V asked my stack size
usually an indicator they will be set mining
when you got one hooked you don't reel too fast or you'll lose them
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