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08-01-2017 , 02:26 PM
V1 - younger TAG. Plays straightforward. Opening early in position means he's pretty strong - isn't cbetting multiway with air.

V2 - probably more LAG. Had an earlier hand against him maybe 2-3 orbits ago. Effective stacks ~900. 4-5 limps, V2 opens to 50 on button. I 3b to 160 with AxK. V2 calls. Flop is A85ss. Hero bets 225, V2 calls. Turn is Qx. Check, check. River is 4s. Hero shoves, V2 tanks for a minute and calls with AKo. Seemed to legit consider folding but he later said he just wanted to think through the hand.

Hand (eff stacks 1100)

V1 opens to 30 in MP2. Two calls, including V2 on button. Hero calls with 22 in BB.

Flop: Q92.

Hero checks. V1 leads 70. Fold to V2, who calls pretty fast.

What sizing do you like? After flop action we range V1 on AQ, KQ, 99, QQ+. Unclear what V2 has. Or do folks donk this flop?
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08-01-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
Hand (eff stacks 1100)

V1 opens to 30 in MP2. Two calls, including V2 on button. Hero calls with 22 in BB.

Flop: Q92.

Hero checks. V1 leads 70. Fold to V2, who calls pretty fast.

What sizing do you like? After flop action we range V1 on AQ, KQ, 99, QQ+. Unclear what V2 has. Or do folks donk this flop?
When you flop a set OOP the most profitable is to lead into the preflop raiser if a face card is on the board. If he raises you back he's committed and you clean him out. If you check and just call him or c/r flop he may slow down with TP. Never slow play a flopped set! Nobody knows you have a monster anyway, therefore, it is stupid to conceal the strength of your hand. Backing off to a raise and then check-raising on the turn is a valid strategy (although not necessarily best). Leading earns the most and if you suspect he's drawing to flush let him draw for 2/3 pot price. Don't you worry of his draw. You are 75:25 on that flop even against the nut-flush draw. The entire deck is yours except 7 flush cards. Two of his flush outs will pair the goddamned board and you gonna create an empty seat on that table (LOL)

Last edited by outdonked; 08-01-2017 at 02:50 PM.
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08-01-2017 , 02:46 PM
I like a raise to $300-325.
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08-01-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
I like a raise to $300-325.

Seems excessive. I'd go $275.
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08-01-2017 , 03:12 PM
C/r is good here given our relative position to the PFR. For sizing, our "call" puts pot at $330, and the board is soaking wet. $325 as johnny suggests is fine, but I think we can go higher, as a PSB raise would be to $400.
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08-01-2017 , 03:15 PM
What's your image? If it was me I would bet $300-$325 like johnnyBuz says, but people tend to think I'm FOS and know I play my draws fast so I don't expect AQ+ to fold ever barring a draw filling turn, so I'm trying to set it up for a turn shove. But if you're viewed as tighter I would raise a smaller amount that looks like you're trying to protect a top pair hand To get calls from KQ+, KK/AA, and draws.
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08-01-2017 , 03:36 PM
Yeah, image is key. People can fold AA/KK to a c/r here in 2017.


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08-01-2017 , 03:50 PM
Good point about image. Normally I'm one of the tighter ones at the table, but today I probably look like a chump, with a failed triple barrel bluff HU and a failed large c/r a few hours back when the table nit stuffed over me and I had to fold.

At the same time, my sense is that V1 is not going to continue with a one-pair hand if I raise more than 250. Like many players, he gets skittish playing for stacks without a super strong hand. No idea about V2's continuing range.
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08-01-2017 , 09:07 PM
I'm leading this flop. Plenty of worse hands that can call a bet, and it getting checked through (as unlikely as it may be) isn't great as plenty of cards can either beat you or kill your action from top pair type hands.

Your perceived image at today's table doesn't change my intended play.

As played, with around $260 in the pot before our action, this is about what I'm making it.
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08-01-2017 , 09:25 PM
I was with johnnyBuz until I saw that V1 might fold. However, I don't really want diamonds coming along for "cheap." $275.
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08-01-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chop$
I'm leading this flop. Plenty of worse hands that can call a bet, and it getting checked through (as unlikely as it may be) isn't great as plenty of cards can either beat you or kill your action from top pair type hands.

Your perceived image at today's table doesn't change my intended play.

As played, with around $260 in the pot before our action, this is about what I'm making it.
Lead yes, but don't blow him away even if he's drawing. From the 45 cards remaining only 7 clean flush cards and the rest are all yours for either FH or QDs or both of you missing and you win. If you want to make serious money with a flopped set the lead for 2/3 pot is the best move.

Why worry about his drawing when you have a monster+redraw to an even hand?
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08-02-2017 , 12:16 AM
I'm not saying when leading that I'd lead for $260, but as played I'd make it $260 after V1 has shown interest with the $70 bet. That's $190 more for them to call in a pot that has $520 in it.

When I'm leading out, then yes I'm likely leading for 2/3 to 3/4 pot.
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08-02-2017 , 04:00 AM
call flop, don't think about it for long

c/jam turn
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08-02-2017 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
Good point about image. Normally I'm one of the tighter ones at the table, but today I probably look like a chump, with a failed triple barrel bluff HU and a failed large c/r a few hours back when the table nit stuffed over me and I had to fold.

At the same time, my sense is that V1 is not going to continue with a one-pair hand if I raise more than 250. Like many players, he gets skittish playing for stacks without a super strong hand. No idea about V2's continuing range.

Your image should be good to bomb it, but a lot of players like you said even if they think you're FOS just don't have the stones to stick in 200 bbs with one pair. If that's the case I think x/call flop x/raise turn actually has a good bit of merit because he'll bet again for sure on that wet board, so you'll for sure get another bet and then he might feel more committed. Obv would suck for a diamond to roll off but sometimes you gotta take a risk to take the line that makes the most $.
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08-02-2017 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Yeah, image is key. People can fold AA/KK to a c/r here in 2017.


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This sucks take me back to 2009.
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08-02-2017 , 10:01 AM
Results: I c/r to $300, because I hated going lower with two villains this deep. V1 tanked forever before folding. V2 called.

Turn: Ac.

I led $450 and called the jam for a bit more. V2 said "you're good" before seeing my cards or the river. River was Tx and MHIG.
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08-02-2017 , 11:08 AM
I check/overjam here tbh.
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08-02-2017 , 12:32 PM
nh.
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