Hero ($4.5k): young kid running like god and enjoying it. Raising a lot pre but haven't gotten out of line much post. Have shown up with the goods when betting big even though I'm playing a lot of pots.

Villain ($1.2k): massive fish. Calls with anything pre (A7o, 76o, etc). Not a total calling station post and can find a fold sometimes, but has trouble folding hands of a certain absolute strength (see history). Rarely raises post. Bets relatively frequently, but hasn't really made any raises.

History #1:
Limp, V limps BTN, Hero makes it $30 in SB with AsAc. Calls.
Flop AK4ss
Hero bets $50 V calls
Turn 6s
Hero bets $115 V calls
River 8s
Hero bets $575 V tanks and complains, says he knows he's beat but can't fold, calls with QTss

History #2
Limps, Villain limps, Hero makes it $30 with AK, V calls.
Flop J62ss checks
Turn To checks
River Qs He leads $50, I ship for $250, he tank calls with A7ss (lol).

THE HAND -

Preflop
Couple folds, Hero makes it $20 with AKcc, V calls in HJ, TAG reg calls on BTN, TAG reg calls in BB.

Flop ($80)
T87cc
Check, check, V bets $40, TAGs fold, Hero c/r to $125, Villain makes it $290, H calls.


Question is about flop and general plan for the hand. OOP, multiway on this board I didn't know what to do. I decided to check, see what happened, and then evaluate from there.

I decided to c/r because villain could be betting wide, but I'm not sure that's best. Maybe I should c/c and then evaluate turn? Lead flop and go for a c/r on most turns?

Really not sure how to plan this hand once the flop hits.

His stack size is just awkward enough for you to fold depending on what he bets ott. Even if you hit your A or K, it may not be good enough.

Given hh, seems like a good spot for a c/c. He has trouble laying down to you, you have the nut draw, and that board often hits him.

betting with a plan of c/cing turn also works. Looks like a cbet that's given up, he'll bet on the small side with his big hands, not realizing you're at the top of your range/he's in RIO.

It looks like you ck/raise the flop?

I'd much rather bet with the plan to bet/3bet gii on the flop than ck/rs.

But really I just like leading here as we have so much equity and want to build a pot.
I'm ok with making it pretty small to keep all worse draws/weak 1p hands in, or pretty large to build the pot with fantastic equity, and getting some folds from 1p hands.

But really lets just get money in.

As played, his range is 2p/sets/straights. And I expect him to be able to fold none of those when we hit. So lets peel one off and plan to bink the turn.
When we miss the turn, ck/call all bets assuming we have the DO/IO under the assumption that we are getting a healthy bet otr (maybe his stack) and play accordingly.

I c/r flop, sorry if that's unclear.

Thanks for the input so far

IMO on this board with this many players OOP, c/c>b/c>x/r.

What was your reason and plan for x/r? Or was it button clicking?

OP i think just calling here with our massive equity is not a bad choice at all. We are drawing to the stone nutz with our nutflushdraw on an unpaired board. Thus, we are happy to invite the two other villains behind us further into this pot where alot of potenial gin cards can come off. For example villains make a straight and we make the nutflush, or even better overflushing someone. Forcing the other villains to lay down here by check-raising its not optimal at all. We are playing cashgame not tournament.

What i also like by just flatcalling here, we are getting a decent price to draw- and at the same time the pot is getting massaged and growing. Especially if the other two villains come along and calling the flop bet they will have a very very hard time getting away form any kind of made hand if we hit our flush because of the big pot out there.

Also, our K or A cards can be good for us of course.

My reasoning for c/r:

I figured I would get a lot of calls if I bet out, which would leave me in an ugly spot on a blank turn. I also didn't want to face a big raise. So I decided to check and evaluate.

After the fish bets out and the two competent players fold, I'm feeling better. He has a ton of stuff in his betting range, including random 7x and dominated draws. I figure a c/r can get folds from A8 type crap and can get value from draws I have crushed (K9, A9, Q9, FDs, 65, gutshots). Tx is almost certainly calling but I have good equity and can probably get him off it with a turn barrel.

I don't understand wanting to gii on the flop. There's $80 in the pot with $1.1 K behind. We're going to be a significant underdog against any hand he's willing to stack off with. This a guy who "rarely raises post".

If we bet and V raises the flop, he's got to have a minimum of two pair. We're going to be around a 2 to 1 dog to his range. Why would we want to get $1,100 in as a 2 to 1 dog?

doesn't this qualify as (semi)bluffing the calling station? Don't do that. Take your flop odds and get paid off when you hit - he's already shown that he'll pay you off.

I think it's a little ambitious to be hoping that he is betting 7x or 8x and is going to fold it. Yes, you get value from draws that you crush, but are you prepared to x/r flop and fire all 3 streets if you brick? This board is about as wet as it gets, and his range is extremely wide, is not skewed towards strong or weak, and we don't know what the bottom of his stack committal range is. I used to set up triple barrels for 100-200BB vs. fish with weak ranges at least once or twice a session. Now it's more like once every 2-3 sessions. They worked a majority of the time. But a triple is never a slam dunk play and I realized there are usually lines of equal value / less variance that you can take. If you get some time to crunch numbers, do the EV calcs of a triple barrel vs his pokerstoved range vs. the EV calcs of check calling and waiting to hit. It's a pain in the ass of a math problem to set up, but I don't think the numbers should be hugely different.

As played against described villain, i'd peel turn and donk ship if the club comes in. I'd be folding to most of his turn bets since he's probably going to rip it.

However, against described villain i'd prefer to x/c down to river and donk lead big into him if the flush comes in.

I like leading flop here probably about 45. If I get raised I'm usually flatting.

I also think I might lead a club turn. I have to think about it. I originally thought leading nines would be okay but probably not. Reason for leading club is I think villain's flop raising range is stronger hands that we might be able to go bet bet with it river bricks.

If we miss turn I think we have to check/eval depending on sizing.

I agree with sun....on this board b/c or c/c i lean towards b/c.

C/r with all our equity doesnt make sense unless you plan on getting it in with 100bb stacks