V1 (1,100) is a local grinder, just recently sat, played one hand vs drunken whale at table and doubled with QQ.

V2 (~1,100) local grinder as well. An Aquantance of mine. Very good player, moved down to S FL to play professionally. I haven't logged many hours with him, but he doesn't discuss hands with other people for the sake of protection of his hand. Doesn't like to show his hand at all. Saw him earlier in the session raise OTB, and triple barrel a KxxxA board with an A OTR and guy tank called with KQ and was good.

Hero (covers) just recently showed a bluff where I raised the river on a 3- board, guy tank folded and hero showed the 2 after everyone was saying how I had it.

Couple of limps, V1 raises in the CO to $30, Hero calls with KQ, V2 makes it 105 in the BB, folds around to V1 who calls, hero calls.

Flop (335)
3 Q Q
V2 bets $200, V1 thinks for about 10 seconds and calls $200, hero...

Now this is where things get tricky, what do you guys think is the best line to extract value? V1's range is probably AQs-TT+, and V2's range is probably about the same, with some air balls in there.
If we flat overcall here, our hand is like face up... If we raise here, our hand is face up. Flat, or raise?

Your hand is not face up. A competent reg would still range you at 99+. Your value range is 1 combo of qq and say 8 combos of AQ. That is if he assumes you are half decent. If you're calling kq there you can have lots of other hands. Call flop.Bet turn small and ship river.

I just noticed positions so I edited out my question about this.

I think that the problem with raising v two competent regs is that you don't have many bluffs in this spot. Raising might let them fold correctly against you.

Of course calling also looks very strong. I doubt you flat call AQo after the 3b pre. To me, your range looks like mid PPs and suited broadways. Calling might look like you're getting sticky w something like TT, but with the other V are you really calling that hand here?

Which non-Q hands are you over calling anyway?

Hope you binked the high hand.

This is a slam dunk call unless you have a history of raising boards like this with pocket pairs like 99 or you have a really sticky opponent who hates folding.

It's hard to say because it all depends on what you have done on previous hands. Usually these paired boards are fantastic for over pairs like KK or AA. But when multiple people start calling than the over pairs start to worry.

What would you do in this spot with TT or JJ. Do what you would do with those hands except don't fold haha.

Thanks for a reasonable response. That's the thing, I'm never over calling with 99+, and my range is capped at QQ.
Thinking about the hand and talking to friends, I just think it's a spot where I can't ever get more money out of the hand. Unless I bet like super small so they just have to call.

you have an extra zero on how many BB deep you are. no worries.


AP -I range both V's with pocket pairs. V1 almost positively has TT or JJ here. V2, he seems pretty laggy, he could be as weak as 44 here and is most likely done with the hand unless he actually has AA or KK.

your two V's only have 800 left after the flop bet, which is less than the pot. if you can get one of them to commit to one more bet, they are almost certain to stack off.

I would flat. And when the V2 checks out of the blind on the turn, bet something ridiculously valuey, like 250. and then bet 350 - shove on the river. whatever number that you think that you will get paid.

Raise to 500 or ship it. You are never getting a dime from a hand that's worse unless co flatted the 3 bet with qjs. Raising protects your equity from pocket pairs. If there's no value to be had, just end the hand so they don't get to realize their equity.

Plus, flatting here is stronger than raising. You have qx+ every time you flat. Do something that doesn't make sense and put them out of their comfort zone to try to get a spaz.

Still showing deuces. What a whale.

Is the flop a rainbow or is there a flush draw? Very important to how you play it.

Make it 450-500 on the flop . V1 most likely lets go of what ever he has given the action that already took place . we can hope v2 levels himself and spazzes with TT/JJ here.


Op would you care to let us know the line you took exactly


OP C

Sometimes true, sometimes not. This is a straight forward call assuming the board is rainbow. Raising puts the pressure on V2 who 3! and bet into the flop. He likely has a premium pair and you give him a chance to get away by squeezing him. Call and let both Vs act again. You can check a blank on the turn and bet the river for value. This hand isn't over and there are plenty of opportunities to get more money.

Some thinking Vs will shutdown whether you call or raise. You need to give them a chance to make a mistake and underestimate your hand.

I would raise if I had a serious LAG bluffy image. I'm not sure you have that after just one shown bluff.

+1

How were you 2200 BB deep? Did I miss something?

He means 220

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If u can never get value here the call pre is bad. Not sure what advice you are looking for. I have no issues you calling pre based on reads and post flop plan. But saying you can't get value in super low spr pot with villains ranges being high pairs doesn't compute.

I think flatting and then getting it in on the turn is probably best... But in game i probably just put it in on the flop. Its not much more than a psb. Take down the $700 plus in the pot now.

What would our V's expect us to do with PP's here?

2200BB got me excited.