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08-23-2013 , 01:22 PM
This has been a fairly passive 2/5 table, with a bunch of hands being me raising and only the fish to my direct left (seat change I know) calling with 75%+ as he really wants to beat me in a pot. For most of the night we've been 1500+ deep but he's lost some pots recently. He has been announcing thru the last orbit he's leaving on his CO.

Hero [HJ] is 30ish with a crushingly winning image for this session, isn't losing many pots and two people at the table have mentioned they don't want to play against me. Covers everybody.

Villain 1 [CO] is a 40-50 y.o. casual player. Plays a bunch of hands and can always justify his fishy play. Can run medium sized bluffs. Has $1000

Villain 2 [BB] is a 50ish rec player. He isn't bad, but also won't really get too far out of line and is a bit on the nittier side. Has $1000

Villain 3 [SB] is a 60ish supernit. Has $200

As the hand is being dealt villain announces he's playing the hand no matter what, then says "you know what, I won't even look".

Hero is dealt 57 in the CO and sees 5 limps in front of him. Normally I'd probably raise or fold this but I limp to play the last hand w the CO. V1, who still hasn't looked yet, makes it $15. BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls, all limps call, Hero calls with great position on the fish for this pot.

Flop $120 [Q57]

BB bets $50, all fold to Hero. I call to reel the CO in. BB is never donking with a FD or SD, this is almost always at least a Q. Villain looks at his cards and calls, he doesn't look like he loves his hand.

Turn $270 [Q57 5]

BB checks, Hero bets $110, CO calls $110, BB tank-folds with what is pretty obviously a Q.

River $490 [Q57 5 4]

Villain has ~$650 left. Hero checks.

All streets appreciated.
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08-23-2013 , 01:26 PM
I don't know if I'd limp/call pf just to play this guy's last hand. I've done that before thinking "even if my cards suck I always have an edge on this guy, let's get a pot before he leaves" and have gotten into trouble that way lol.

But I'm fine the whole way. OTR, I remember when I used to play mtt's that there was a portion of a V's remaining stack that we'd bet right on the border of committed and not committed to induce V to think he can shove to get us to fold... I think that amount is too small, it'd leave value out there, I also think it's FPS in a cash game, I'd bet about half his remaining stack.
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08-23-2013 , 01:38 PM
Preflop, I probably just fold in HJ, but CO and BU I go ahead and do any of the three options of raise/fold/overlimp depending on my image and the table.

Flop: Sure he has at least Qx from your range construction, but there just can't be many sets in his range with Qx being one of the cards out there, and you have blockers to any sets with bottom 2. Your hand is super vulnerable, and you need to get max value from FD. I go ahead and make a raise here, most definitely a raise/fold vs V1. You are still protecting what is not a huge advantage, but a healthy advantage against V1's range from an equity standpoint. I raise to $150 and fold to a ship against this guy.

Turn: As played I go ahead and bet about $130, I don't want to blow V1 off his hand and we have a near lock. I also want hands like combo draws to draw incorrectly.

River: I go ahead and bet $300, as straights and flushes both got there. If he overvalues the nut flush, tilty, and likes to disregard that the board is paired, I ship it all. I don't understand the check at all.
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08-23-2013 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Preflop, I probably just fold in HJ, but CO and BU I go ahead and do any of the three options of raise/fold/overlimp depending on my image and the table.

Flop: Sure he has at least Qx from your range construction, but there just can't be many sets in his range with Qx being one of the cards out there, and you have blockers to any sets with bottom 2. Your hand is super vulnerable, and you need to get max value from FD. I go ahead and make a raise here, most definitely a raise/fold vs V1. You are still protecting what is not a huge advantage, but a healthy advantage against V1's range from an equity standpoint. I raise to $150 and fold to a ship against this guy.

Turn: As played I go ahead and bet about $130, I don't want to blow V1 off his hand and we have a near lock. I also want hands like combo draws to draw incorrectly.

River: I go ahead and bet $300, as straights and flushes both got there. If he overvalues the nut flush, tilty, and likes to disregard that the board is paired, I ship it all. I don't understand the check at all.
I didn't think I'd make much money vs the flop lead-out, and I wanted to give the fish who *hasn't looked at his cards yet* an opportunity to do something stupid. I checked bc a lot of hands got there OTR and I wanted his entire stack. I def understand that he has a lot in front of him by the river bc I didn't raise the flop.
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08-23-2013 , 02:04 PM
Why did you bet the turn so small? I think when BB checks my primary focus would shift to getting money out of CO. I would have bet more like $150-175.

I'm just leading the river. If that river helped CO we are getting the money in. If it didn't he probably talks himself into checking back Q9 or whatever which he may call a bet with.

I think your idea was to let him turn hands into bluffs. But I just don't think this is a river he is doing that very often. Most of the draws got there. And most 2/5 players are checking back their Qx hands. I just don't see what types of hands he turns into bluffs. I'd rather let him make the much more frequent mistake of calling too wide here.
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08-23-2013 , 04:58 PM
Turn needs to be ~200 so we can just shove the river. As played 400.
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08-23-2013 , 06:20 PM
Not sure how villain ends up with ~$650 left OTR after "investing" $175 of $1K. Seems to me, he'd have ~$825. Check your maths (I'm sure someone probably mentioned this already).

As played, I think it's fine all the way. I don't mind the over-limp pre, and like your flat OTF with your plan to keep CO in.

Turn is fine, though I may have bet just a little bigger, but I don't think you'll get him to call $200 always with his FDs, since the board is paired, and he's on his way out. Then again, maybe he'll be more inclined to call since he's planning to leave; though, I don't believe so. I think he'll only call bigger OTT w/ a Q, and that may not be all that likely since you believe BB to have folded a Q.

As played, I think your best play is to bet river ~$150 and pray he has improved and will raise/ship. It's still a good size for him to payoff with a Q, as well (if he has a Q), which he may be very inclined to do, out of frustration, and, again, because he has an excuse to leave. With this sizing, he's also bound to raise if he has made a flush. Finally, on the off-chance that he had some kind of straight-draw, it leaves a window of opportunity that he may perceive your bet (sizing) to be a sort of blocking-bet with a Q and, for him to then conceive that he could rep a 5, or a flush and bluff-raise!
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08-23-2013 , 06:26 PM
River: I would like a bet of the same size as the turn, $110, which will look super weak to the fishy CO and he will raise all hands that got there on the river, and he will call with all hands that will fold to a bigger bet (one pair) - give him a chance to spaz, ****, he may even try and bluff you with such a bet.
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