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08-31-2009 , 01:38 PM
6max vilian is playing 22/16 w/ 3bet of 3.8
for some reason I dont get the FR stats when replaying hands.

AF per street (also from 6max stats): 6.1, 2.3, 2.5

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $5(BB) Replayer
SB ($632)
BB ($513)
UTG ($705)
Hero ($904)
UTG+2 ($642)
CO ($495)
BTN ($646)

Dealt to Hero 7 7

fold, Hero raises to $17.50, fold, CO calls $17.50, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($42.50) 2 K 2

Hero bets $24, CO raises to $61, Hero raises to $169, CO calls $108

TURN ($380) 2 K 2 T

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($380) 2 K 2 T 4

Hero checks, CO bets $120, Hero folds

I am really not sure what to do on the flop, I dont like folding and calling there much, but also not a big fan of raising because if you can see it gives me some trouble on the turn/river, not sure what the best play is here.
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08-31-2009 , 02:01 PM
I think you played it well as is. you got the information you needed by re-raising the flop and can now fold the river knowing your beat. I just dont see to many hands that call your flop reraise that also bet the river that your beating here.
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08-31-2009 , 04:35 PM
Don't understand: you 1/2-potted the flop (?) got raised and 4bet but not for value. Playing 77 OOP here totally sucks, make it 36 on the flop and throw the hand away or c/c to the river if you think you're ahead.
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08-31-2009 , 06:52 PM
I always bet this size on this type of boards. But you b/c the flop or what is your normal line?
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08-31-2009 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner008
I think you played it well as is. you got the information you needed by re-raising the flop and can now fold the river knowing your beat. I just dont see to many hands that call your flop reraise that also bet the river that your beating here.
imo, this is bad advice. The "raise for information" is the worst excuse every to raise. You are basically saying "I will turn my hand into a bluff and hope you fold" - which is fine if you think he's weak, but it's not fine for "information".

If you think he is loose enough to raise a non-K here then you need to make a decision about his range and your FE. Does his range include pure bluffs, will it include lower PP and will it include weak Ks? Do you have FE on the weak Ks and under pairs (that may beat 77 but do not beat a K)?

If you think he's LAG enough to throw out a pure bluff here, I guess I like the 3bet strategy, but his stats do not seem to indicate that he would raise a hand he would fold to a 3bet very often.

I'm in favor of a check-raise on the flop to represent a K/AA which should get weaker pairs to throw it away, and if he checks behind, throwing out a turn bet no matter what comes. If the turn bet is raised then you can likely fold against those stats; or maybe check-raise the turn, if you want. If you get checks behind on both flop/river then you can check-call the river.

In short, I don't like being overly aggressive here. He is playing back with very few hands you have FE against and your representing a weird hand ... AK or AA, but if you want to represent those you'd need to commit to it and push the turn/river more. As it is, you played it almost face up.
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09-01-2009 , 09:29 AM
Boxedin, so as played you believe he should commit and fire the turn? if called what is your play on the river?
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09-01-2009 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner008
Boxedin, so as played you believe he should commit and fire the turn? if called what is your play on the river?
What I mean to say is, following hero's thinking this is the correct play. I think you should only be reraising the flop if you think villian is bluffing here. And if he is, then you need to be able to fire again or even check-call or check-raise a blank turn (as his call might indicate a float with AQ or something).

As played with the thoughts behind it, I think you do have to check the turn, and check-fold the river unless you really have a strong strong feeling that villian is farting around here. But I doubt he is, so I think after the re-raise on the flop the line is correct. But I think this is the line that loses the most money while seeing a showdown with the best hand the least amount of time. Again, the hand has turned into a bluff against a TAG player on a dry board. I don't see how that is a good thing nor how it is a profitable play.
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09-07-2009 , 10:06 AM
So you wont CR the flop?
You will b/f here the flop? It all seems like a weird line for vilian to raise this flop. If I b/c the flop I dont know how the proceed the turn thats why I raised here.

So what is the optimal line?
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