I'll make this as brief as I can seeing as though I'm at the table and this hand just happened.

Effective stacks 1200

EP limps 5 and is loose bad, his betting patterns have been weak bets when hr is weak strong/strong, etc. CO and BtN limp sb completes, hero is in bb with 24s

Sorry I'm on my iPhone that's why the format is questionable

5 people 25$ flop is 335r

I lead 15, EP calls, everyone else folds

Turn is A.

I lead 30$, EP min raises to 60, I flat- planning to CR this river.

River is a K

I check, EP bets 100$ with alot of strength. I now feel like the only 3's he has limping EP even as bad as he is, is k3s a3s. Which sucks. I know hes strong and thinks he has the best hand. Do I raise 300, fold for ship?

Pot is... 145 on river

Thanks guys

raise fold would be fine as would flatting.

fwiw i dont like leading the nut low into 4 other people OTF, unless you are prepared to barrel 2 more streets

and dont forget 55 as a possibility from EP

call

He ended up having j3s thanks for not being results orientated, and I appreciate the advice

villains are always going to overvalue trips with any kicker live. i know, i tend to do it. that said, it's a +EV hand IMO. he made what he thought was a value bet and your read was right. sometimes, your read is right, yet it's wrong. villain displays strength and, in fact, he thinks he is strong. you are just stronger. there's a thread about live tells where this is actually discussed.

Easy raise to $290 - 390 / fold

Actually, this is a great flop to lead out with as the BB. We should take it down alot of the time and that's $25 lying on the ground that we can easily pick up with a dink $15 bet.

Turn is the perfect card and I absolutely love that the EP raised. I mean, its not likely EP's range has lots of A3 in it. AK, AQ, AJs are going to comprise the majority of his range though I am a little worried about 55.

River: I absolutely positively HATE your river check. Seriously, AQ, AJ, and Ax type hands will often just check back here so you miss all kinds of value from Ax hands...

as played, I like a raise since the $100 bet feels more like a Value Bet with AK or even Ax type hands. Pot is about $175 so that $100 bet is almost 1/2 pot. So I'd feel okay raising to about $275ish, something that Ax can call hoping for a chop or AK can call. I seriously, seriously doubt V can raise without a FH.

Man was I off giving him more credit than he deserved by weighting him towards Ax. J3s from EP??? Man, that's all kinds of bad. so yeah, if he's that bad, then we definitely want to be raising him for value on all kinds of rivers when we are strong in future hands.

In fact, I don't think I can fold a strong hand to this guy come river...

dis is the best poast to learn from ITT

dgiharris, just to be clear, are you saying river is a bet/call? After seeing results, would you consider b/3b vs this guy?

The grossest thing about check/raising the river is that if villain is BAD enough he might over-value his hand and ship bare trips over the top of our raise (and we fold the best hand)... thats something I would be really worried about.

bet/calling river is okay imo against a fish, so is check/calling, check/raise/folding is good since anyone with half a clue is not 3betting the river without FH (I'd just be scared he might overvalue trips and blow us off the hand... but you need to make a read on your villain)

I'm a huge nit, but without more specific reads on this guy, I'd probably just check/call rather than c/r the river... If villain is at all competent, he shouldn't call a c/r with bare trips, and if he's bad, he's liable to overplay them and ship it in our face and we end up laying down the best hand (and, of course, if he has the boat he'll jam on us too.)

Seems like ABC poker to me - what hands will call if we raise, what hands will fold, and what hands will re raise us?

Grunch

Looks fine to me, I may 3bet the turn, but probably not since you are quite deep. As played, flat the river, you are too deep to raise. In some cases, I will raise/fold this river against bad opponents since they never don't have a boat if they 3bet but will still call with a 3.

One of the things I have instituted in my game is to NEVER fold to terribad players in these spots.

Once I mentally peg a villain as terribad like this V, I'm comfortable bet/raise/calling them or even c/r/c'ing them.

It's kinda funny to have a straight in this spot, go for the c/r and then they shove and you think "man, the only thing that can shove is a fullhouse" and then you make the call and they turn over J3s or AK, or something like that....

anyways, its part of my game I developed about a year ago and the results have been flat out amazing. Basically, we often forget just how terribad some players are.

Depends on how terribad I think this player is. If I witness this player do something spewtarded like reraise a flush board with a lessor hand like 2p or a straight and then snap call a shove, then absolutely I can b/3b/shove this guy.

Basically, it depends on how far on the "terribad" scale I rate him prior to this engagement

True... example hand from last week against complete fishcake (I had no clue how he thought):

I raise 3x on BTN to 30 over a fishy limper with J9o, SB(fish) and BB call.
Flop: J94r
checked to me, i cbet 100, SB call, rest fold.
Turn: A
SB check, I bet 260, SB raise 700, I call
River: T
SB bet 1k, I crying call..... SB has AQo and thinks its the nuts.


In OPs hand I think that chk/call might miss a little value against a fish, but for getting shipped on for 1.2k with all kinds of FH combos would really, really suck. I guess bet/calling or C/R huge is fine. I dunno. just depends on how bad the player really is.... Thing is if I C/R there and he ships for 1.2k I puke.

I don't raise this river because to me I'm not sure you get called by worse other than a naked 3. Most 1 pair hands fold