Game is live due to 2 bankers making everyone lick their lips and play every pot that their in which is almost all of them.

V1 (5k) - Arabic looking mid 30 reg that can play solid but definitely spews a lot esp when loosing.
V2 (2.5k) - the nittiest nit reg the world has ever seen always buys in 2.5k never plays a hand ever
Hero (1.4k) - young tag solid image, have 4 bet pre twice in this session once having it once bluffing, won both times with no showdown.

V1 opens to 20 Utg 4 calls including V2 otb. I'm in sb with black AA.
I raise to 125 total. V1 and V2 call.
Flop (~450) qh 10h 4d

we have 125 invested and over 1200 left out of position. What is best line here and why?

Bet pot. Board hits their ranges pretty hard with draws and is far to wet to play tricky. I prob call a (effective) shove from V1, which will almost always be a semi-bluff, and likely fold to a raise from V2, if he's that nitty.

Turn action just depends so much on the turn card and how flop action goes that I can't type out all the possible scenarios, but if called only OTF, I continue firing on blanks and may check a lot of scare cards with the intent of bluff catching V1 and prob folding to V2.

Raise more pre, at least $165. There is $107 in the pot already.

As played, B/C ~1/2 pot vs. V1, B/F vs. V2. Wider range of V1, smaller sizing may induce.

Draws less likely in V2 range, so not as worried about giving him a decent price. A V2 raise is heavily weighted toward QQ/TT imo. KK probably not raising the flop based on descript.

If they are this fishy I think we can go even bigger pre. Not a huge deal but could even go $140-ish. 125 is ok though.

I'm probably never folding to V1 but might b/f to V2. I probably just bet my standard c-bet in 3b pot with 2 opponents. I probably bet ~$325 if we are b/c V1 and b/f V2. Any more is just burning money vs Villain 2 and perhaps not giving enough room to Villain 1 to shove.

I don't think this is the best spot to post in the hand. This is a super-straightforward bet. Like basically everyone has said I'm getting the money in with v1 but not v2.

As to sizing, I probably go around $275.

I agragree with $140 pre. Its not a big difference, but small amounts of value add up long term.

I'm pretty comfortable stacking off here.with an SPR of 2.7 in a 3 bet pot.

I'd go $350 leaving us $850 behind to ship into the $1150 turn on most blanks. Makes it easy for KK to stack off to us in 2 bets instead of having to fade lots of ugly rivers.

I'm making it $160 pre, charging everyone an OOP tax.

As played I'm betting $325 OTF, board is wet and I'd like to set up a turn shove. With an SPR of < 3, I'm never folding against V1 and am going to have a tough time folding unless V2 really is as tight as you say he is (and would never make a move with a draw).

People saying bet call V1 which I think is correct, but IMO V1 doesn't shov with many hands and a decent amount of the combos that shov have v good equity vs us and also could have us crushed. People saying bet flop to set up for turn shov, turn shov is a value bet or a bluff??? AQ doesn't call turn and he can never have kings... Also when he flops a hand that has us crushed he likely doesn't shov with them over our c-bet. Basically just asking do we always just bet shov and hope we have the best hand because it doesn't look like wer exactly printing money with that line and on the flop we have tons of money left.

We have an overpair on a wet board with only 2x pot left. We'd have to be pretty mubsy to fold to a reg who "definitely spews a lot esp when losing." Really, how can you say he doesn't call a turn shove with AQ? Sure, you're deep, but it's a 3-bet pot, so SPR is still very low.

def bet, but i think many of you overestimate the possibility of V1 having a draw here.
he still has V1 behind which covers him, and the live low limit players who shove 2.5k eff with a draw are pretty rarely where i play. not such things in the description of OP.

Grunch

Raise more pre. You have a huge hand and a BS image. You're not going to get 240BBs in pre, but you can be well on your way OTT if you set it up well PF.

OTF - I'm betting big. The nit putting more money in is going to make me hate life, but you can't really check this flop.

Raise more pre for the reasons noted by others.

Given SPR, it's logical to try to size our bet here to be all-in on the turn. Betting like 350 will leave us with under a pot sized turn bet even if only one player calls. That seems like about the right amount.

Bet big something like 380-420 and jam turn

$145 preflop. As played, bet $240 on flop.

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Raise it to $135-$150 pre, bet flop small to induce a spazz shove..

If flatted and turn is a blank....bomb all in.

You want to bet half pot on a super drawy board?..

I think with the loose V1 first to act on this board I'm not ever happy about trying to induce multi-way. Even though V2 is a described nit you allow V1 to make a loose call and give odds to V2 to call with his draws. Just because V1 is loose doesn't mean he is raising every draw here.

V2 should be playing fairly face up turn/river and usually we can justify our flop play by saying we can fold to further action being obvious strength but the issue here is that on this board if we get both callers, V2 has a 100% draw range as he is certainly raising a made hand. So when a scare card hits the turn which is any broadway or diamond what do we do? Bet/fold? Check/fold? It creates an uncomfortable spot for us.

Correct me if my line of thinking is wrong but I'm definitely betting large on this flop.

i dont think ur pre flop sizing is that bad. with that being said we have a nit and a solid player in the hand. Im not sure what range you are putting them on but the super nit is what scares me.

Super Nit range has to be KK-JJ, maybe 1010 but im not sure, AKss, and maybe just maybe AQss. That has to be it from your description.

The solid guy b/c UTG also has to have a tight range close to super nit and we might have to include AA in his range as well if he has FPS in him.

If we lead big on this flop we are almost saying we have AA-KK, only getting action from AKss, QQ, KK, AA, and 1010. Our equity can not be that great and Im not sure if we can call a shove from the solid guy and we have insta fold against the super nit here IMO.

Best play would be bet smaller to include a wider range, leading on safe non diamond turns.

with that being said im not even confident this is best line and im curious to see what a lot of people here say.

V2 image is super nitty, thus the only draw I see him calling the flop is 1 combo, AhKh. I would also expect him to flat KK since he may be worried about top set or AA. If he raises the flop, we are clearly behind based on the descript.

V1 could be drawing, could have TP (KQ), MP (JT), pps, etc. While betting large has advantages – we have blockers to a straight and sets up potential turn shove – lighter also unique advantages:
- Widens our range (include AK), otherwise capped with larger sizing;
- Allows us to escape cheaply if V2 raises flop;
- Still have potential to extract on the turn.

Additionally, ~1/2 pot is not that light considering the range of V2 and his relative position in the hand.

Even though V2 is a "nit" he called OTB with 3 in before him. His drawing range at this point is wider than AKhh. There are suiting connectors in there as well.

Is betting larger and getting value from Qx and draws with less than optimal odds better than betting small to allow these same hands to call and now those draws with optimal odds calling too? We both agree we are folding to V2 if he raises so all we are losing is the extra amount on the flop bet versus the entire pot by giving odds to draw against us.

the description is super nit. does super nits really call here with SC?

I actually forgot for some reason that this was a 3bet pot. Going to have to agree AhKh is the only drawing hand in his range.

I am more inclined to bet small. My mistake.

V2 called OTB to V1 raise with two people left to act and lots of callers infront of him, IMO v2 can never have kings.
I think he can have 66+. Hes is a super nit, not scared money.
He bought in for 2.5k as he always does, hes not splashing around at all but he is 4sure trying to flop a set if he has 66+ in this spot.
V1 will sometimes fold AQ when we shov turn, he might call some amount of the time but it was earlier stated that v1 is spewy when loosing..
He is sitting on 5k at this point, I think this does affect how likely he is going to stack off with one pair for big money.
My range when i shov turn has AQ crushed so so often.
2 really big spots in the game too and as much as V1 isn't all that great, he still knows how much easier there money is than mine.