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Originally Posted by wj94
I feel like this hand and the live tells/reads is one of those "you had to be there" kind of things where you just know they have AA, and if you aren't 100% on that, you pile it in. I've been in this situation many times with the backraise over a 4b always being AA, but you can just always tell when that's what it is because of how the person acts. If V ever has the other KK (a distinct possibility) or AKs, you just can't fold here....so if you're 100% on it being AA, fold. If not, jam. I think that is the bottom line for all "should I fold KK pre?" threads anyway.
This is a good summary but how many players can put a LAG on AA with 100% certainty? Obviously if we put someone on AA with that level of certainty the fold becomes trivial, getting to that level of certainty is the whole crux of the thread IMO. I think this can still be a fold even with slightly less than 100% certainty. I believe there exists some small probability that V1 still has AA sometimes with the ridiculous tank/raise although it's very small. There are also some times where V2 shows up with KK.
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Originally Posted by wait
But the utg 6x open and mini 4b wasn't AA which I assume is where most people would choose of the 2.
Another good take away IMO. Player profile wise, this is very true. If this super tight guy can make this move without AA, then certainly the LAG behind can have KK right? The chances that neither of them have it are fairly slim though IMO. Then we get into how much we allow live reads to influence decisions.