2/5

Been playing ~2hrs(since table opened)
Hero: started w/1000, stack now 1200, played very few hands TAG image tho card dead also
Villain: Along with me has played fewest hands at table, has not shown down any hands appears TAG but also possibly card dead. Bought in for 500, rebought for 500 more after stack dwindled.

Whole game has been laggy with with good sized pots.

On to the hand.
Hero 1200: UTG+2 , folds to me I decide to mix it up and raise to 20 w/5s3s.
Villain 530: MP calls, all others fold.

Pot: 45
Flop: Ks9s6h I cbet 30 villain calls

Pot: 105
Turn: Ad This hits my perceived range well, I bet 50, villain calls

Pot: 205
River: 2s I bet 125, villain shoves allin for 430, call or fold?

Call and then say you run bad when he shows a higher flush. Then go back in time and fold pre.

+1

What are you hoping for playing 53s? You made a flush after betting 2 streets with nothing. Easiest call ever. 100% a fold pre. You need to be a super LAG to start opening this hand in this poor position especially. You said the table was laggy. The way to beat that is by playing tighter, not playing garbage.

Guess I'm wondering does villain ever shove with less than a flush here? It's flush or bluff; when he's that polarized is this still a call with the way the action went?

maybe, hero is also getting a pretty good price. i think we have to pay him off hope we are good some how.

tough one. if he has a big flush, and your range heavily weighted to AK, why would he shove and risk having you fold?

not many players have the moxie at LL to shove all in over a large river size bet with air.

and with the small amount of hands that he has played, it does not seem as if he has been splashing around and trying to outplay his opponents.

sigh fold I guess. The only thing that would incline me to call is the overshove.

So you need to decide if to call or fold?

Well, if we have two contradictory interpretations, we can’t really assume one of them is probable until we’ve agreed that the other is not likely.

That's the way we should be playing.

So if we can't decide here, do we sigh call or sigh fold?

You wanna play this hot garbage of a hand and then when you get there cant decided to call then maybe stop playing this junk

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lol. even garbage has some value. the skilled player will be able to make an assessment rather than holding their nose and pouting.

As played, I call. V could have bare ace of clubs but it looks like an attempt to bluff you off a made hand you would bet pre, flop and turn. But agree but when you get there on the river after bluffing 3 streets, the decision should be easy.

Thanks for all the input:

Actually this was a reverse hand example; I was villain in this hand (and "hero" was actual villain) and the hand caused me enough angst that I wanted to post it to get insight from others. Villain called my river shove (I had KdQd) and I thought I was turning a made hand into a bluff as IMO he never has a flush here. My jaw pretty much dropped when he tabled his hand/also I wondered if he made the right call of my shove/thanks

Shove was really bad on this board vs. an uncapped range. Not sure why you think villain can't have a flush here.

Ya, just not getting folds here. (Although he should fold vs tight player). He is also calling with AAA, KKK.

Did you only reverse the holdings and the last action or did villain bet every street?

Advice for V (you):

Check turn, fold river. Not really close either.

Also,reverse HH are super annoying. It just makes it harder to parse in retrospect to give advice.

Well, this situation is out of the ordinary because the OP played pure garbage.
What I'm talking about is the general logic to be applied in contradictory situations where we can make some reasonable least decision. In our case here the Hero plays 53 trash. If he thinks he's so smart to handle 53, why he's coming at 2+2 to ask what to do? - Obviously he already figure 53 out preflop. What he's looking to flop with 53?

yes and no. it's kinda douchy, but the reverse perspective adds a deeper layer to the dynamics of the hand.

if you're betting turn, (and I would) bet a lot more...80% of pot or more.

lol, your shove is way worse than his call

I dont think the action is right. kq bets 50, leads 125 otr and calls off with second pair after an a hits turn and then asks the forum if rhe call was correct? No way. His fancy reversal was not done correctly.

(true) villain bet every street

5s3s (true villain) bet 50 on turn led for 125 otr/reversal was done correctly

Don't try to bluff people that bet all 3 streets, they usually have it. Especially after they put in 40% of their stack. /thread