2/5 at the Borg. I've been at this table for a few hours and have a TAG image. Havn't played a hand in a couple orbits. Villian sat about 2 orbits ago and has played 2 hands without showdown. Looks to be somewhat tight and passive.
hero stack - 1200
villain - 600
2 limpers and villian in CO makes it 20 which is small for this table. Average opening has been 25 or 30.
BTN calls and I look down at JJ in the SB
I make it 80 and both the CO and BTN call (to my surprise)
flop 88T (250)
I bet 125 - CO calls and BTN folds
turn Q
hero ??
Please comment on pf 3! sizing and if a call (OOP) and playing for set value is an option here.

I don't mind the pre-flop raise, and I am also surprised that you were called in two spots.

Your hand is played pretty faced-up, although people seriously like putting big raisers on AK...

On the flop, I think villain's range is 10x, medium pocket pairs, 8/9, 7/8, maybe A8s, and possibly 10/10.

Any bet I make in this spot on the turn is pretty much full commitment, so against an unknown, I would slow down on the turn as well and evaluate base on villain's action.

I prefer $100 pre, and prefer a bet bet bet but very moderate bets along the way vs a villain who is going to play pretty straightforward. Pretend he has 99 and attempt to pwn him with valuebets the correct size.

Hero sizing here pre just may have allowed them to call with ATs and other stuff like it. 4x is actually a good size on paper but at live where they call too much IP, we can charge a bit more.

I bet again, small, maybe $175, there's no particular reason to fear the Q and I would guess most villains would 4bet their larger pp's. This is a spot where we can still peel thin value out of a hand like 99. Villains be stubborn. Given a brick river I will lay down about a 1/3 pot bet, not necessarily looking to get the whole meal in but also committing us.

Is flop 88T or 8TT? Your subject says one thing, your post another. Doesn't make a huge difference but it does kind of matter.

I have no problem with the 3bet pre, you are ahead of his opening range in the CO. bet flop for sure, i would check turn for pot control and then value bet a non A or K river.

80 pre is prob exactly what i would have chosen but i agree with above comment that live players are apt to call more.

Can you explain why you like the 3bet here? i know the "bloating a pot with JJ OOP is a bad idea." comments are coming.

Superman1, here it is:

I usually love popping folks here but against a tight passive who has raised there's no reason. He's never folding to your 3bet, so you lose all FE which is part of why you would 3bet here in the first place. JJ is too strong a hand to try and take down a pot PF here.

As played i think the C-bet isnt too bad though on that board. Would be better if board was something like 44T though.

Basically, any turn raise means an effective all in on the river and JJ doesnt improve enough times to be able to call an all in on the river against a Tight Passive player.

Basically, you flat here w/ JJ and hope to hit your set and hope the Tight Passive thinks he has the nuts w/ AA. If he really is tight passive, he's not trying to outplay you postflop ever (or often enough) to make strong arming worth while. He's going to slow down when he doesnt have anything but by 3betting w/ JJ you run the risk of having to check fold against almost any bet from tight passive player since again, a tight passive player isnt trying to outplay you postflop a great enough % of the time to even begin to let yourself think he has air in his range etc etc.

There's a part of me that thinks you could maybe just 3bet jam and really **** with them but i dont think that meta game is worthwhile since i doubt those players are getting out of line in LP while you're in the blinds, so there's no reason to turn JJ into a bluff there.

Well put ANL

Ok so i have two more questions then.

1. we flat pre, get same exact situation and flop. are you leading out, c/c, or c/r?

2. we flat pre, and now the other two limpers also call and we get the exact same flop. Now what?

IMHO:

Flatting jacks here is wrong. While flatting JJ is for sure a good way to play someone who is tight passive, I don't think its right here in this particular spot. I think a raise pf here is right.

OP labeled villains play as "Looks to be somewhat tight and passive" not quite the same thing as being tight passive. I think a lot/most loosing regs fall into this category.

I think the way to play this hand is to hammer. b/b/b. As ANL said, valuebet him as though he had 99

flop was 88T

Thanx for the great feedback. See if the followings helps a bit.
In addition to probably tight passive i also put his skill level pretty low. But it looked like he was trying. He has only been at the table a short amount of time and first impressions are sometimes off. But first impressions are all I had for this hand so i have to assume accurate until proven otherwise.

His pf call was fast and he never looked at the BTN to see if he was comming along for the ride. Makes me think he was paired. Could be AK but nothing less is likely. I did not put AT in his range here. Lags would but TPs typically will not call a 3! with AT or suited connectors. His call on the flop and his body language showed strength not concern. Breathing really started getting heavy. My thoughts were either an overpair or set or quads. I decided to c/c the turn (to a styandard bet size) and reavuate the river pending his turn bet size. I decided not to stack off in this situation. (I still had a gutter to get me out of a jam)
Turn went check check
River K
now what

If you recommend a check then also comment on if you will call a bet and how big a bet do you call