Hero in HJ(~$585): in the game about 3 orbits. regular room. unknown to BB. EP has played in the game numerous times, but we have never spoken. she must notice i am a winner in the game. also likely notices that i very rarely show uncalled hands. may notice that i can be aggressive in position.

BB(~$525): recently left the table to get more money and rebought for $500. he is first level. should be easy to read as he is looking to make hands and get paid.

UTG(~$1,200): tight preflop. i think he is a little weak at times post. rarely raises his straddle, just looking to limp in and hit gin. i have played with him a few times and it seems i am on his avoid list as we have played very few hands against eachother.

EP(~$400): she is a miserable regular to have at the table. tight passive preflop. limps the range many break even players limp. when she raises preflop it is often to overbet premiums. mutters under her breath a lot. is quick to criticize poor play. can be a little calling stationy post.

Hero has 87 in HJ.

UTG straddles to $10, EP calls $10, fold, Hero calls $10, fold, fold, SB folds, BB completes, UTG checks option.

I considered raising, but button is very loose(covers me) and I didn't want to bloat the pot. Of course he folds.

Flop(4 players/$42): A95
Checks to Hero, Hero bets $25, BB calls, UTG folds, EP calls.

BB seemed ready to call or ready to fire the turn if nobody bet. He waited only a few seconds before calling and looked excited to see the turn. EP made this terrible face she makes and called with one of her trademark utter under her breath deals. She looked weak and annoyed to be continuing in the hand.

Turn(3 players/$110 - rake removed): 2
BB checks, EP checks, Hero bets $55, BB calls, EP calls.

Same story as otf. BB does not like the brick ott and wants to see that river - chasing mentality. EP took extra time for this call and did some more muttering.

River(3 players/$275): 5
BB checks, EP checks, Hero bets ?

I felt confident in play of the hand that BB was on a draw and EP was on a middling made hand. Not sure if I knew what they thought I was repping other than Ax.

Question time...
Preflop: rank fold, call, raise?
Flop: do you bet here? bet sizing?
Turn: bet sizing?
River: bet sizing?

Thanks.

I call preflop if i don't think i'm getting raised behind, check/call flop, and if i don't connect on the turn check/fold. Checking flop might mean you get to see another spade and if that card comes then I'd bet into it, plus there's two clubs out there with a bunch of players in the hand so i'd try and get another free card vs. semi-bluffing with a gutshot that may only have 2 outs.

the 2h is not a card you want to barrel, also i would reconsider your sizing and reconsider why your pulling this in a mw pot against 2 fish.

"BB seemed ready to call or ready to fire the turn if nobody bet. He waited only a few seconds before calling and looked excited to see the turn"

idk why u even considered betting after this

"triple barrel bluffs, by default, are spew."

pre is meh, I raise to $40; as played, check back flop. you don't have enough equity + fold equity to justify betting at any point. Use your positional advantage.

Grunch

I think limping pre is okay depending on how loose aggro the straddle is. Given your reads, fine with me. Come flop I c/f. Bluffing a semi-wet board multi way with a gut shot is bad IMO. I also wouldn't bluff the turn for the same reason I wouldn't bluff the flop. As played from the flop I would only be continuing on spade turns, or maybe pairs. This guy is never folding Ax OTR, just check.

In short... You are limping in, and then trying to bluff a bunch of monkeys off of their hands with air using pure aggression. This would be a no-no in my book.

I like the quote very much.

And I do often raise in this spot pre, but table dynamic was confusing me. It was probably a better spot to tighten up.

I am not one to overdo it picking up small to medium pots when checked to. On this flop I felt I had a decent chance to pick it up, though maybe this is just a breakeven play(or worse)?

This hand may be a good example of compounding mistakes(long run). I say that because after the flop action I felt BB was on a draw nearly 100% of the time. The EP limper has a made hand she is worried is no good. So I concocted this 3-street play on the spot.

betting flop here with just a gut shot and bd fd with multiple opponents on an A high flop pretty much puts you in a tough spot for the rest of the hand. You receive no real good cards to barrel ott or otr, and its gonna be tough to move an opponent off Ax in a limped pot.

This was a very poorly executed hand especially if hero made any pot sized or less bet on river.

3 barrel bluffs at low limit poker can be done with a high degree of success, however there are a ton of factors that have to be checked off before pulling the river trigger.

You were better off simply potting the flop with a "one and done" bet repping maybe two pair+, and anyone calling is serious----thus we shut down.

I agree that the board develops really badly for a bluff.

EP won't fold any aces here, so check behind river.

Given the UTG and EP images, I'd raise to $35-$40 pre. Check back flop in position. If turn is checked through, I'd bet ~2/3 pot.

As played, trust your reads. If one has a weak Ace, they are likely not folding with the board pairing.

Is your sizing a tell to these opponents, i.e. would you bet more if you had AX?

0% chance I bet river with two players in the hand (who have called 2 streets) at a low-limit table. Nearly guaranteed that one of them calls the river bet.

Nothing wrong with checking back every street and folding to a bet, honestly, even though it feels passive/weak. We don't have to win every hand. You saw a cheap flop with a great hand to hit a monster, it didn't hit, no biggie.

#notspewifyougotswag

I think if you triple barrell your super polarized. You either have 99 or a5 or a bluff unless you you overlimp in lp with big aces which it doesnt seem like you do.

The question then becomes are they good enough to know your super polarized.

If you had weak ace youd probably bet flop check turn then value bet river if checked to or bet flop, bet turn, then check river.

I'd limp pre bet flop then give up when you get 2 callers unless you know a 3rd barrell will fold out weak aces which in usually wont.

There's no need to c bet here. Just give it up.

Terrible bluff, awful hand

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Wow and I thought I spewed hard.

I still think a $150 bet otr is in order. Now that we've gotten here. Which I never would have.

I bet bigger IF I was going to bluff the flop. I give up after that (reasons most have already stated in the thread). No big deal though. That's why we post.

Hero has 87 in HJ.

UTG straddles to $10, EP calls $10, fold, Hero calls $10, fold, fold, SB folds, BB completes, UTG checks option.

I considered raising, but button is very loose(covers me) and I didn't want to bloat the pot. Of course he folds.

Flop(4 players/$42): A95
Checks to Hero, Hero bets $25, BB calls, UTG folds, EP calls.

BB seemed ready to call or ready to fire the turn if nobody bet. He waited only a few seconds before calling and looked excited to see the turn. EP made this terrible face she makes and called with one of her trademark utter under her breath deals. She looked weak and annoyed to be continuing in the hand.

Turn(3 players/$110 - rake removed): 2
BB checks, EP checks, Hero bets $55, BB calls, EP calls.

Same story as otf. BB does not like the brick ott and wants to see that river - chasing mentality. EP took extra time for this call and did some more muttering.

River(3 players/$275): 5
BB checks, EP checks, Hero bets $140, BB folds, EP tanks and tanks, stacks up the call, mutters and mutters and calls with ATo.

I never mind posting hands I may have played poorly. And I know my turn bet sizing looks suspicious to EP, let alone she is stationy. At least I got a tank out of her...

I think what I hate most about this HH is that since Hero doesn't raise preflop, he really cannot have a very strong ace here.

So I'm not sure what you're representing with the flop bet. I mean, given the line you took, the only value bet I'm making on the flop is [99, 55, A9, A5, 9X].

On the turn, the 2 is so clearly a brick unless Hero played A2 very badly on the flop. Hero bets here, but nothing changed. So if Villain thinks she's good with the ace, then she still is, and her equity went way up.

River. I mean, its just a very bad spot to bluff thinking players. Bad players will somehow believe that you had a 5 all along, I suppose. But a thinking player is going to add up your line and decide nothing made any sense. I mean, a huge part of your range now either missed [9X, ] or has become very unlikely [A5, 55, 95s, 5x]. Nowhere did you ever play as if your "ace" was not the nuts, which is frequently an indication that you're repping strength instead of actually having strength.

So what's left of your value range is now so small, that a thinking villain should have some bias towards calling here with even a weakish bluff catching hand, and any ace with a decent kicker should be good enough.

The worst part about the line Hero took is that now his image is complete dog poop. You're not getting credit for anything anymore. I'd even go so far as to say you should probably table change here since you're going to get called down light relentlessly.

Lap,

Great write up. I read it thrice. Thanks for your time.

Though I mildly disagree about the image statement at the end. I should add I decided not to show and everybody was like "yep, busted flush draw. That's what I figured." The player on my right claimed he knew I had a combo draw.

HHH

Yep. That's really the best move at the end.

I always get really irritated when my bluff-catching attempt ends with the Villain just turbo-mucking his cards. LOL. Obviously, I'm pleased that my read was right and I won the pot, but I paid to see those cards dag-nabit! Ah well... I do the same thing though.

i always table my missed bluffs to make villain show his hand. if i just muck it, everyone knows already i was just bluffing, and i don´t get to see how light villain called me or how hard he tanked to make a super standard call, etc. most of the time i feel confident enough to gain more from the information i get by seeing his hand than giving away my strategy by showing a missed bluff which was obvious anyway since i would muck it otherwise...

Best to do this. Get as much info as you can. It never ceases to amaze me when a tricky loose player at the table does not have to show his cards because someone just turns their hand up when they did not have to and they never got to see what the other guy had.

just as an example, if i have say 89hh and the board runs out ThJh5s 5c As and i barrel it three times oop and get tankcalled, i want to know what he had. if i muck my hand, the table will know that i am capable of bluffing anyway, whether i show it or not, but i will never know if villain hero-ed me down with JQ, T9, or nitrolled me with AJ or whatever.

The only people who auto muck when called on a bluff are the ones who like to lie for 5 mins about what they had. I flip it up like the nutz. I would never allow someone to take the pot without showing their hand. Why give info but not get any in return thats just stupid. Dont worry about what others think and say just flip it up like the nutz, and let them try and figure out what you were thinking for the next 30 mins.