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2/5 best line with low boat? 2/5 best line with low boat?

11-23-2014 , 10:07 PM
Playing 2/5. Interesting mix of good and very bad villains. I would avoid a table with this many good players but there are 3 super loose gamblers with deep pockets. Villain isn't one of the particularly good or bad ones.

Villain Loose asian gambler. Not one of the terrible ones though, limps too wide preflop but not random suited garbage. Like to limp/call his strong hands in EP. Plays an OK game post flop, aggressive but can get way when he knows he beat. $900
Hero TAG regular. Paid off one two pair vs better two pair hand I shouldn't have but otherwise doing OK. No history with this particular villain. $800

Villain limps EP
3 more limpers
SB completes
BB hero checks with 63o. Obvious I'm never doing anything but checking here.

Pot is $30
Flop is 6h6cKh
SB checks
Hero bets $20
Villain calls
Everybody else folds

Ok, so I hit the flop but with 5 villains I don't like checking this. Given the villains and the preflop action, it is unlikely anybody bets this. I don't want to let somebody with a heart chase for free. Villain's calling range here is mostly KX and heart draws. He doesn't have a lot of KX here either, KQ and possible KJs/KTs is it, everything else raises or folds. There are a lot more heart draws, ATs+, possibly worse AXs, JTs+, some worse middle suited connectors. 6X is unlikely but obviously not going way. Some chance of JJ-77, but they mostly fold or raise preflop and most fold flop.

Pot is $70
Board is 6h6cKh3h
Hero? Bingo. Now how do I extract money here?
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11-23-2014 , 10:31 PM
bet 55
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11-24-2014 , 12:15 AM
Sucks that it's limp pot and we won't be able to get stacks in, all jokes aside.. I like targeting the top of his range in this spot, I do think it'll be hard for him to fold nut flushes in a limp pot if we bet 3 streets.
So
$65 turn and $180-$200 OTR.

I mean I guess we could take a c/c turn donk River or c/c turn c/rip River but we might lose value that way, in a limp pot I think a b/b/b line is better as everything else would look extra nutty.

My sizing might be off here.

Sorry I'm all over the place on this one, would love too read other opinions.
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11-24-2014 , 12:23 AM
Bet it good and hard. He calls with Kx with a heart, flushes, and trips. I don't think that range is much affected by sizing. If we check, only hand we beat that bets is the flushes, and those hands are going fall out of love with their hand when they face a x/r imo. Not saying they fold right there to the x/r, but I think over the long run, it's not going to be enough value gained to make up for what's lost against the other hands (which are more combos).
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11-24-2014 , 12:28 AM
Ok lets say this villain has the A high flush. I think...

If you lead the turn, he probably raises but probably wont call a 3bet from you. So Id call an then lead the river.

If you check, he bets, you raise, he calls. He calls river if you dont bet too much almost every time.

So about the same value either way.

If he has a weaker flush he might not call a c/r at all. And might not call a river bet if he does. He will, however, call a turn bet and a river bet very frequently if you lead.

And finally if he has a king + a flush draw or another 6, youre losing a lot of value by checking to him because he will check back and get a free card pretty often.

So it looks like a lead to me. I kind of like something smaller like $40-$45 to both induce more c/r and keep more kings in the hand.
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11-24-2014 , 12:41 AM
I like the logic by the ^^^^^^ posters for betting bigger though. I would bet bigger vs. a lot of villains, it might even the best line vs. this villain as well. But in my experience loose aggressive asian gamblers would c/r a smaller bet with an ace high flush here. Though he might also c/r a bigger bet as well so it might be pointless to bet smaller for that reason.

I guess Im ok with any bet size as long as you lead the turn
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11-24-2014 , 09:26 AM
I bet $40 on the turn, because I didn't want to fold out KX hands yet. Villain calls, but was obviously considering raising right there. River is Qd, a brick in this situation. Villain was passive but he wasn't limping QQ+ in EP. Villain's raising range here is good flushes and 33, both of which I beat.

Because of my read on the turn, I went with a bet to induce line on river. I bet $50, trying to look like a blocking bet with 6X. Villain then raised, but only to $150. Villain obviously thought his flush was good but that I wouldn't call a big raise. At that point I had to drop the hammer, because there is nothing villain 4 bets here. I made it $400 and villain finally made a tortured fold, indicating he didn't have a real good flush.

I like the bet to induce here but I think I should have bet a bit more. $70/$80 gets raised also and as long as I get raised every dollar gets multiplied.
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11-24-2014 , 11:21 PM
I think it looks like he had AdKx actually. Like I said, I dont think he would call a 3bet with that hand, especially on the river with 4 diamonds out there. You ever making that move with a lower diamond? Never. He knows this.

Betting $50-$70 to induce there looks good to me. Your 3bet size could be a little smaller. I get that he would have called with 33, but its far more likely that he has A or maybe even a lower (and I dont think he calls anything with the ladder). I think $280 is a decent number.

But this is nit picking. Overall, I think you played the hand well.
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11-25-2014 , 01:46 AM
Lead $30 on flop. I would bet $130 on turn. That's not a typo. We want to overbet big to set up river so we can bet big on river. We're betting to target flushes and 6x.
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11-26-2014 , 07:29 AM
I like your play on all streets except river. A king probably treats $45 bet same as $70 and so king calls $45 probably calls $70 but never raising so more equity from that hand. You bet more if he opts to raise it will be more hopefully 200 instead of 150 which he might feel pot committed to calling your re shove due to size of pot.

There is some room for discussion to sizing your turn bet a bit bigger to make stacking easier by river. Personally I actually like the sizing on the turn since it allows a raise from both flushes and air from villain and still keeps Kx in the pot. To bad villain didn't cooperate on turn with a raise.
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11-26-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Flushie
bet 55
+1

Not in love with H's line. I think a bigger river bet still induces a raise from the villain. I'm thinking $90.
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11-26-2014 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Lead $30 on flop. I would bet $130 on turn. That's not a typo. We want to overbet big to set up river so we can bet big on river. We're betting to target flushes and 6x.
This is even sexier. We're not getting action from a naked K on this turn so we're only getting looked up by flushes so we might as well bet big & hope villain has a big enough flush to GII on the river.
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11-26-2014 , 01:19 PM
If the villain were pretty bad/mediocre, I like a snap shove overbet on the turn. Many villains will instacall flushes without even thinking. Your descrip (can find folds with hands he knows is beat) means this line won't work though.

His calling range will be really inelastic on the turn. Let's just pot it. If he raises, we call and lead the river big.

If not, we bet 100 on the river. I'm expecting to get raised here because our value bet is "too small" into a 210 pot. If he min-raises, I'm re-min-raising him back. If he raises to $300+, I'm just calling because I don't expect him to call our all in without a higher FH. Again, this is only against this villain. Some villains will GII with ace high flushes and some will GII with any flush. Against these guys we need to stack off, but against this V we need to find whatever the max value is against his flush.
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11-26-2014 , 03:54 PM
Fold pre,lol jk.

Flop fine.

Turn I'm betting around 50 to keep all of his range in. I would not 3b his c/r though, just flat.

Reason being he will now most likely raise the river if we lead and we can get stacks in easier.
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