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2/5 - BB special flop with a bunch of limpers 2/5 - BB special flop with a bunch of limpers

03-03-2015 , 03:56 PM
Table dynamics have been favorable, but two unknowns have just sat down to my right. Both buy in full, have played about 1/2 an orbit with them. Two early limpers are fish, limper #3 has been pretty tight. All players but one are at least full, one is $800, hero covers.

5 limpers, SB completes, Hero checks with 64

Pot is $35
Flop 6T4

SB checks
Hero?
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03-03-2015 , 03:59 PM
30, betting any turn except a T
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03-03-2015 , 04:07 PM
Leading is OK, but I prefer a check/raise.

You want to build a huge pot early, and 7-way I think someone is likely enough to have Tx and bet when you check.

Texture is incredibly important. If the board was just very slightly different - say 6h9c4h, i.e. if we just change the Tc to the 9c - then I would lead out for $25-$30 myself.

The T is important because people can limp with AT, KT, QT, JT, etc., and I think there's a good chance someone bets. Then you check/raise and go for stacks by the river. As you could guess, I'd be happiest to see Ax.

If the flop checks through, it's also not the end of the world. A turn card might hit someone, turning their air hand into a made hand, and then you bet pot two streets.

If it checks through and you're counterfeited, I'd just give up or see what happens.

Etc.
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03-03-2015 , 04:08 PM
Pot/pot/evaluate
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03-03-2015 , 04:17 PM
Definitely leading here anything between $30 and $40, depending on how you usually size your bets.
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03-03-2015 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Pot/pot/evaluate
Very good, then. Let's get to the river.

Hero bets $35
Folds
BTN calls (Just under 500 behind)
SB folds

Pot $100 after rake/bbj drop
Turn 9
Hero bets $75
BTN calls

Pot $250
River 6
Hero?

So many things running through my head. Villain and I have never tangled, and he hasn't seen me do anything but fold since he sat down. Board is draw heavy but missed everything. I want to keep all parts of his range in play, but I think my play looks more like a draw than his does. I think he likely holds JT/T8, so there's a better than zero chance he's calling me down to bluff catch.
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03-03-2015 , 05:13 PM
Bottom two pair on the flop should be played fast...never slow play into multiple opponents. Bet $30 on flop.

Betting $150 on river....lose too much value on river if you check and he checks back with Tx.

Last edited by OSUTexan; 03-03-2015 at 05:25 PM.
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03-03-2015 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Very good, then. Let's get to the river.

Hero bets $35
Folds
BTN calls (Just under 500 behind)
SB folds

Pot $100 after rake/bbj drop
Turn 9
Hero bets $75
BTN calls

Pot $250
River 6
Hero?

So many things running through my head. Villain and I have never tangled, and he hasn't seen me do anything but fold since he sat down. Board is draw heavy but missed everything. I want to keep all parts of his range in play, but I think my play looks more like a draw than his does. I think he likely holds JT/T8, so there's a better than zero chance he's calling me down to bluff catch.

If he is an unknown player i'm betting.

I don't think he has a super strong hand so if you bet too much i think he will fold.

If you bet something like $100 - $150 you might get a crying call from Tx. If he has a flush draw I don't think you are getting any more $$$ no mater what you do as this would not be a good river to bluff unless he is crazy.

I like your turn bet
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03-03-2015 , 05:24 PM
Well played so far. I bet $100 on river. I'm not checking and I don't to bet so much that he chickens out. It is a paired board in a limped pot after all.
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03-03-2015 , 05:55 PM
grunch

My first instinct is to check/raise. But, since we have the fish in between us and the unknown players in late position, my thought process says to bet 25-30 to A)tie the fish to the pot B) built the pot for a reasonable turn bet to gain value from FD's and SD's, and TPGK.
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03-03-2015 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Well played so far. I bet $100 on river. I'm not checking and I don't to bet so much that he chickens out. It is a paired board in a limped pot after all.
Never checking. $100 is never a bluff, but could also be perceived as thin value with weaker holdings. I'm also considering a spazz-looking AI overbet to entice his bluff catchers.
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03-03-2015 , 06:06 PM
Why not overbet the pot on the flop? You are still getting calls from the fish that have T9+ and flush draws. It is more likely you get heads up which is better than getting a string of callers for a ton of awkward turn cards. If you bet $50 here I have a hard time seeing a fishy player fold top pair plus or decent flush draws, and you have now built a big pot against a way weaker range w/ aggression helping to lessen some of their positional advantage.
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03-03-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
Bottom two pair on the flop should be played fast...never slow play into multiple opponents. Bet $30 on flop.
I disagree with this. Two pair should be played cautiously in multi-way pots. Not necessarily passively, but carefully. The fish in multi-way pots are the ones who habitually try to GII with any two pair.

In this particular spot, given how coordinated the board is, betting out and checking are both legitimate options. Against unknowns, I probably check to see where I'm at and gather information for future hands. Against known players, I am more likely to know what to do.
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03-03-2015 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Never checking. $100 is never a bluff, but could also be perceived as thin value with weaker holdings. I'm also considering a spazz-looking AI overbet to entice his bluff catchers.
If they call a spazz all in with a hand that you beat, you are at the perfect table.
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03-03-2015 , 10:35 PM
What if we bet flop and turn brings a ?
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03-03-2015 , 11:35 PM
Well played on all streets. I'd go big on the river. If V has hero's boat beat, then gg. I think there are enough straight and top pair combos that might call. Villain could put you on a busted flush draw or weak top pair. When in doubt, I try to bet big and hope for a call rather then bet small.
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03-04-2015 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
If they call a spazz all in with a hand that you beat, you are at the perfect table.
This isn't my normal stake. I took this seat because the table dynamics looked really good. I wan't disappointed. I would have won huge on the night but lost a 400BB pot an a 4-outer river suckout late in my session. Table was an absolute dream.

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What if we bet flop and turn brings a ?
Same. He could be flush mining, but I can't make that assumption. If anything, I'm more afraid that a turn kills my action.

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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Well played on all streets. I'd go big on the river. If V has hero's boat beat, then gg. I think there are enough straight and top pair combos that might call. Villain could put you on a busted flush draw or weak top pair. When in doubt, I try to bet big and hope for a call rather then bet small.
I'm ranging him exclusively to top pair combos. There's only one combo draw that could ever show up at this river, and even this I would expect him to pop the turn. That being said, I was actually thinking about my river bet as soon as I was making my turn bet, and had decided by the time he called. Any , I'm betting $125. I'm overbetting anything else.

Hero bets AI.
Villain goes into the tank for good minute, talking about how my bet makes no sense. Looks at me, says 'you missed' and calls.

I think I got lucky here, but I don't know that I'd play it much different against an unknown. Thoughts?
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03-04-2015 , 01:00 AM
b/c flop ($25-30)
Then, as played with the runout...
b/f turn ($75 seems fine)
b/jam river (Lead for ~$200)

Pretty simple value harvesting. If he's got TT or 99 (or something fishy like T6 or 96), so be it, but I'm never folding once I fill and only betting 40% of pot on the river is criminally bad unless you have some reason to think he's going to spazz over such a small bet with 9T.
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03-04-2015 , 10:01 AM
I tend to fastplay hands like this from the blinds and overbet or go PSB. Otr I prefer a bigger bet for one major reason....at llsnl people hate folding.

AP, I like the 120-140$ range otr depending on the appearance of V. He hasn't been at the table long but doesn't he look like he will get butthurt by losing 140$ otr? Does he have fancy clothes or a pressed button up or shiny watch? Did the other V who sat down at the same time appear to be his friend or a random? If they are friends, he might level himself into calling with top pair so he doesn't "look bad" to his buddy...
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