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2/5 ATs in position 3bet pot 2/5 ATs in position 3bet pot

08-09-2017 , 05:49 PM
Table is really deep so we have agreed to straddle. Hero has 3.2k and takes the straddle.

Folds to SB who raises to 40 with 1500 behind, BB calls,

Hero AT

The SB is unknown player, the BB is a very good reg but plays extremely tight. She hasnt played many hands in the 5 hours i have been here but she got me when i overlimped 33 and flop was A63. I KNEW her range to limp was pairs only but i couldnt fold and - 500 or so on that hand when she flipped over AA.

I chipped up in a spot where I open raised AJdd OTB vs,straddle the straddle 4bet, I call, flop J42 1 diamond, he checks, i bet smallish, he minraises, i call. Turn J, check check, river blank, check, bet call and MHIG vs KK

After the hand she called me an idiot for calling the 3b with just AJ

Hero 3bets to 160, sb folds, bb calls

Q37

Check check

T

V bets 175, hero folds

Thoughts?
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08-09-2017 , 06:22 PM
Literally the only hand you beat is AK that's decided to bluff, which personally I wouldn't do. Good fold, I don't mind preflop.
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08-09-2017 , 07:04 PM
why are you checking a bone dry flop

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Originally Posted by JB Clark
After the hand she called me an idiot for calling the 3b with just AJ
it's a pretty bad call vs his range

Last edited by Playbig2000; 08-09-2017 at 07:10 PM. Reason: removed profanity
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08-09-2017 , 07:42 PM
I think if you are going to 3b a really tight player here (not a fan, btw), this is a good flop to bet. As played, I probably call most of the time in-game. I guess the question is whether she calls the 3b with AQ OOP, or if that's not part of her range. If ya, then I find a fold, but if not so much, I'll peel one.
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08-09-2017 , 07:54 PM
You guys are crazy. The HH calling the 3-bet with AJs BU vs. blinds is 100% standard. She was trolling you or she's not a good player, just a nit.

Pre is a good 3-bet for value/squeeze. Then nit just called an open in position. She wasn't the opener.

So is she a "good player" or a nit? Folding this turn to a non-nit is nuts. Out hand is not just a bluffcatcher and we don't block any draws except AJ since AK 3-bets or 4-bets pre.

Giving up on the flop when you flop little equity is rarely going to be a big mistake. It's fine here.
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08-09-2017 , 08:43 PM
wait just to help me follow the discussion, are we bluffing pre or value 3b?

ATs seems like a great hand to defend our straddle with, even facing a 4x open ~150bb deep in position.
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08-09-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
wait just to help me follow the discussion, are we bluffing pre or value 3b?

ATs seems like a great hand to defend our straddle with, even facing a 4x open ~150bb deep in position.
3-betting linear and merging our range from SB is what a lot of players do to mitigate position disadvantage and avoid playing OOP vs 2 potential opponents/preventing a good BB from squeezing liberally since we cap our range by flatting.
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08-10-2017 , 12:53 AM
Uh aren't we 3b a sb open from the straddle?
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08-10-2017 , 03:18 AM
Yeah, I have no idea why I thought we 3b from SB. Read HH too fast lol.

I like a 3b here only against normal players. Not against a nit who hasnt played much for 5 hours.

Ott I'm preling one with so many draws/random pairs like 99/88/10x that put us on a whoff.
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08-10-2017 , 03:21 AM
Yeah, I have no idea why I thought we 3b from SB. Read HH too fast lol.

I like a 3b here only against normal players. Not against a nit who hasnt played much for 5 hours. 3b here is great since ATs plays super well in a 3b pot deep, can make a ton of nutted hands and stacks only go in when the pot is reraised this deep. We can definitely get action from worse hands like A2s-A9s, any suited broadway, SCs, and with them being OOP they're more likely to make costly mistakes. We can fold out some better hands occasionally like AJo and hands that have a ton of equity vs us like QJo/KJo, etc. Also, picking up 8bb uncontested is a pretty big deal with A high

Ott I'm peeling one with so many draws/random pairs like 99/88/10x that put us on a whiff, esp vs that small sizing.
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08-10-2017 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Yeah, I have no idea why I thought we 3b from SB. Read HH too fast lol.

I like a 3b here only against normal players. Not against a nit who hasnt played much for 5 hours. 3b here is great since ATs plays super well in a 3b pot deep, can make a ton of nutted hands and stacks only go in when the pot is reraised this deep. We can definitely get action from worse hands like A2s-A9s, any suited broadway, SCs, and with them being OOP they're more likely to make costly mistakes. We can fold out some better hands occasionally like AJo and hands that have a ton of equity vs us like QJo/KJo, etc. Also, picking up 8bb uncontested is a pretty big deal with A high

Ott I'm peeling one with so many draws/random pairs like 99/88/10x that put us on a whiff, esp vs that small sizing.
This pretty much. 3b totally fine, prolly cbetting, as played folding turn is spew.
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08-10-2017 , 08:28 AM
yup, also misread. still cbetting, and not folding the turn
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08-10-2017 , 01:24 PM
I'm good with line. Going to win pre-alot, so I like the 3 bet.

Flop is super dry, vs her calling range I think this is an easy abort. A-10 going to connect with enough flops that we don't need to be bluffing here at high frequency. And I think c-betting is lighting money on fire.

Turn is tough. Vs a nit I am likely folding. Vs someone who likes to stab we can definitely peel one here.

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08-10-2017 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark

I chipped up in a spot where I open raised AJdd OTB vs,straddle the straddle 4bet, I call, flop J42 1 diamond, he checks, i bet smallish, he minraises, i call. Turn J, check check, river blank, check, bet call and MHIG vs KK

After the hand she called me an idiot for calling the 3b with just AJ
MHIG AJ vs. KK ha hah haha ..., So what's the point of posting the hand here if you figure out your hand was good by the river?

Well, I have to say that calling a 3bet with AJ is a very poor play. Very poor play indeed, even with AQ I will not be proud of myself calling. The only way to win is getting lucky. When you are dominated and have an Ace in your hand you got 3 outs to outflop opponent. That's it. Else you got to be very lucky and hit it twice like you did and that happens 1:400 years, so to speak ... haha...ha ha. More's the pity, youngster. More the pity.

The difference between good players and poor players is the ability to lay down a good hand when you think you are beat. Poor players fall in love with their hands and cannot lay them down. If you can lay down a good starting hand when the betting/board indicates you are beaten and your hand has not improved, then you will be playing good poker.

When a player raise’s into me and I do not have at the very least, a 60:40 chance to win the hand, I will fold most of the time. When a player witnesses this maybe one or two times they think they can run over me by over betting the pot or coming over the top of my pre-flop bet. They usually become bolder and looser in their play against me, thinking they can push me around, and that I am a passive player. Instead, I have stayed tight, waiting for the advantage, for the edges. When you do get the edge, you know it and decide how to extract the most amount of money from the other opponents. Most of the time your opponent does not heed your aggressive play past the turn and think they can still run over you. So these loose players bet and even re-raise on each progressive street thinking you will crumble under the pressure until they are the ones pot committed with no way out. ..., haha .., That's how you break them all.

This pattern can go on for hours; you take two or three people down, and your table image will get stronger as your session gets longer.

Last edited by outdonked; 08-10-2017 at 08:06 PM.
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