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dg, what you say makes a lot of sense, however does it matter to you that..
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it is 2-5

we know little of player, and the avg player CR with big hands, not fancy moves

He checks to check raise flop, but now when Q hits he figures he is guaranteed a CR now with that card hitting?

I understand TPTK, ipad younger player etc, and questionable line, but i dunno if this is just as much a no brainer as you are giving credit here.

But his buying in for 400 only gives me a little clue that making moves isnt exactly what he is there for.

Thoughts?

2/5nl is my main game, so my advice is directly tied to this being a 2/5nl situation.

In 2/5nl players are more capable of making moves, and to be honest, c/r on a super wet board when you have a pair + FD/Straight Draw when your opponent has shown some weakness is a huge +EV play and its a play that is in the arsenal of many players.

Can V have a set or straight here? Sure I guess, but imo, less than 5% of the time is a set/straight ever checking this board twice. That would be some super FPS. What is more likely is V turned a Pair + FD/SD combo. Imo, that line seems way more probable to me.

As for buying in for $400. $400 is a standard buy-in amount for 2/5nl. Not everyone subscribed to the 100bb standard.

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06-05-2012 , 12:07 AM

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DeadMoney_J

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Without specific reason to do otherwise, I'm shoving here.

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06-05-2012 , 02:32 AM

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Tomark

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Originally Posted by dgiharris

You are right, if V is going to shove 100% on river than we should take a c/c line on river to induce.

however, I guess a part of my post was responding to the call river line. My thoughts were that the majority of people advocating a call on turn would fold river fair amount of time. So, in order to protect those people we shove turn. To be clear, my line isn't to shove turn because I'm trying to fold out V. I believe that if we shove turn V will call. Basically, no matter what, V is getting all the monies in.

So, if we call turn then V has FE over us because when he shoves river, over 50% of the time, we aren't going to like the river card. So shoving turn keeps our vagina from bleeding us off the hand on the river... that is why i'm advocating a turn shove if that makes any sense. Also since I'm pretty sure we are ahead and that V will call.

I completely agree. I am never calling turn to re evaluate river. I am planning to call river.

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06-05-2012 , 11:17 AM

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Dragon Ash

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One pair + FD/SD combo doesn't really make much sense though. The board is 8

. We have the A

in our hand.

So he can't have the

NFD. He can't have Qx of clubs because we have the Q

in our hand.

So to get a big draw worth raising the turn he needs a hand like 87dd, 67dd, or 34dd - I think other combos are gutshots (gutshot would probably just call the turn bet, no?) or a flopped straight (97 etc), in which case villain rrapped knowing Hero would almost definitely bet the second topime it was checked to him - a move I have played against aggressive but straight-forward villains that attack pots when checked to them on later streets.

I actually think a set is more likely than a combo draw/straight, but given history I might call turn and see what villain does on the river. I think shoving is a spew. Its never gettting called by worse and better is never folding, so the only reason we would shove would be for value...which is silly, since we have one pair on a wet board, with limited outs to improve. At this point I am happy to just try and get to showdown. This isn't about testicles turtling inside our vaginas, it's about not going broke with one pair in a single-raised pot.

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