This hand took place a week or two ago. Stacks are deep with several 2k+ and villain and Hero nearly 700BB deep.

Hero and Villain are regs (though villain more so) and both are consistently winning players. Both generally play TAGGY but can mix up based on reads. Hero generally plays 5/5 PLO and villain knows this.

UTG limps
Villain ($3400) limps UTG +1
Hero (covers table) goes $25 with T9
BTN, SB, BB and UTG call
A buddy of Villains walks up behind. Villain shows cards and 3b to 110...Buddy sort of muttered something under his breath before this happened.

Gets to Hero and I don't think this makes much sense. I have never seen Villain limp/RR before. I just sense squeeze and 4b to $300.

All fold to Villain who thinks briefly and calls. At this point I think his range is rather wide: small to mid pairs, suited broadways. suited Aces, maybe a suited connector or two.

(Pot $725ish)Flop T52r. he checks, I check it back WAWB?

Turn 9 putting 2 clubs on board. He Checks i bet $450, he calls. I think we can narrow him now to suited broadways KJcc, QJcc, AXcc. BTW the T is NOT a

(Pot $1625) River A. he checks, what is our plan here. We have about $2650 effective.

It seems the only hand we get value from is maybe Axcc where he might call a smallish bet of ~$500.

b/f, b/c, maybe even check it back I guess all have merit.

4 bet pre is a little spewy to me, I think he calls a fair amount here if he's really getting a manhood contest going

Flop is close. I'm fine with the WA/WB idea, but would you normally check AA-QQ here? Or even AK-AQ? I think you're narrowing your range.

Turn is an obvious bet. I think 2/3-3/4 of pot is about what I would do. I'd probably go to 500.

River, check it back seems really bad, you're basically putting him on only AT/A9. It's a bet for value. Probably for $800-$900 or so.

This deep villan is probably 5betting AA, or leading somewhere in this hand before river.

Close between b/c and b/f imo, you really only lose to Axcc that has two pair (you block most sets, thought he may have the odd trickily played one).

Without getting into the merits of betting vs. checking behind, I'm curious why you consider this a WAWB situation when Villain could easily be drawing to six outs if he has overcards, wheras Hero could be drawing to 5 outs if Villain has an overpair?

To me, WAWB means that the player behind is drawing to no more than 3 outs.

Yeah might be a bit of semantics though. I just think I can be in bad shape if a lot of $$$ goes in the pot on this flop obv. Whether it's an OP, a better T, or a flopped set if a ton of $$$$ goes in here I'm cooked. I also don't see a ton of hands I beat calling me here so effectively I am repping a big pair.

Maybe so...went with a read but he called and we are super deep and I am IP

You might be right as I almost definitely bet QQ-AA here.

Yeah I'm definitely betting...it's the sizing and what I expect to get called by that has me thinking here

I dont mind checking behind here to take down a decent pot!! You could get some value from a naked A if he thinks you are on club draw (10x) with Turn bet. I don't think you are worried about AA here and if you bet you should plan on b/c. I would only go with $600ish to make it look like real value. This will bring in JJ/QQ/Ax callers. I dont really see him coming over the top unless he really slow played something like AA or 1010 and he would have been taking some risk by doing so after your Turn bet with flush and strt draws now in play.

I like checking this Flop with only TPMK for pot control. Sure you do narrow your range a bit but I agree you dont want to bloat this pot too early. What is WAWB? New term to me ..

I think you could've gone a little bigger with Turn bet but you want to make it look like you are pricing yourself (and others into a call). You should be well ahead at this point and get some value from it!!

I think you took down a fairly nice pot here and I think you play this quite differently without the history you are drawing from against this opponent, especially on the Flop. Fairly nice if you can show your cards during the hand too!! GL

Whatever you bet on the river, what's your plan if he raises? If you get a CR can you ever fold? Ever see him play passive/tricky with a monster, with a CR on the river? Seems unlikely. So, I'm betting half the pot on the River and calling a CR.

The checks on the flop are interesting. After calling a 4bet preflop OOP, villain takes a passive line. If he's big (sets) why isn't he betting his hand for value, which you might expect if he puts you on an over-pair? Then on the turn, he checks again. If he's got a monster, it's odd that he's not betting it. When Villain calls turn I'm thinking hands like JJ, AT, flush draw, maybe even ATcc. He has something, unless he's floating to try and take it away on the river (you can always hope).

I would also include the following range : Ax10x-Jx10x, 3x4x, 8x7x, QxJx.

V 3bet otf sizing was weak only made it 110 when there was 130/5 players in the pot already. I would ask myself what is V 3betting range? I would if made it in the 175 range. Maybe he is squeezing with some bs hand showing off to his buddy?

If I am 4 bettor I am betting flop 100% of the time.

OTR I am more likely to bet if V mostly plays straight forward and checking if V is on the tricky side.

What is your plan if you bet and V check raises you?

I am checking back, I think by betting the only hand that calls you is the one that beats you specially when the pot is around 1600 and we are betting around 800.

I'd prob bet 800ish on river to get value from Acxc but.. I have 0 experience playing 2/5 and I wouldn't play 700bb deep.. nor would I have 4 bet this hand.

First off I think you should bet the flop for ~400. No reason to give villain a free card if he's got 66-99, or AK/AQs type hands. He can call with a lot of worse hands this deep.

As played on the river I would bet something lol-small for value. Like $500 in hopes he calls with his JJ/QQ, or AK/AQcc hand which is all I can put him on.

I've never seen anyone limp-reraise A10/A9 so I wouldn't be worried about that.

AA I would expect a 5bet preflop, check raise on the flop, or donkbet river.

TT is possible, but there's only one combo of that and he's checked 3 times so I also wouldn't worry about that.

Villains hand looks exactly like JJ imo, bet small to get a crying call out of him.

@betting flop...yeah I'm just not sure on this. I agree that generally this should be a bet but I think it does disguise our hand a bit and if we get c/r by a creative player on this dry of a board we have to give up our equity

@river sizing...think I agree.

In game I bet $850...he immediately got a bit uncomfortable like wtf do I do now..as soon as he did I knew I bet too much...eventually folded after a decent tank. Told me later he had AQ. If that is true he likely calls $450-525.

It was a good bet

Perfect run out for you hero. 4bet, x/c otf seems cautionary.

I think this river is a great example of V having a very stretchy elastic calling range. He's snapping big bets with stuff he beats us with like AT and weirdly played sets, but folds out the AcXc range, JJ and other pairs he's a nonbeliever with.

Need a little more info before I'm super happy with a b/c, but if I have ever seen V even once bluff raise river, has a lot of triple barrels and so on, I'm snapping it bc if we bet small and give him the illusion of FE, we need to have a plan what to do if he raises. If we lead for $450 and are folding everytime he raises, think how profitable it would be to bluff raise you small here.