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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Even if it's true my 4bet only gets called by a range that crushes me, that doesn't mean 4betting isn't correct. We take down an easy $75 pre many times when flatting would mean we just have to c/f any whiffed flop.
Pre hinges on what a TAG's range for 3betting a young kid who opened 5 times in 45 minutes it...I 4bet because I assumed it was somewhat wide, plus blockers.
The main point you're forgetting here is that your vill started this hand sitting behind 240BB. That's what this hand can cost you. It's not easy accumulating 240BBs in one session. OK, you 4-bet pop for $100 more to win $75. Yes, it'll work often enough to make it profitable. This time, that didn't happen. He called. He's in position, he's a competent pro or semi-pro TAG, and likely one of the best players at the table. This is who you're locking horns with. You didn't flop gin here, but you did catch just enough to get yourself into MAJOR trouble. That's what happened: that bareassed pair of aces sucked you right into the vortex.
"Pre hinges on what a TAG's range for 3betting a young kid who opened 5 times in 45 minutes it...I 4bet because I assumed it was somewhat wide, plus blockers" You're still putting way too much stock into this. Opening five times in 45 minutes could mean LAG-gy player. It could also mean a run of good cards. Your pro player knows this, and that this isn't enough of a hand sample to come to any solid conclusions.
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I'm not yet convinced on checking the flop though. If I check this flop after 4betting pre, isn't it very suspicious to a competent player? Doesn't betting look weaker?
At this stage of the game, none of that matters. What's important is stack preservation during deep stack combat. If you don't preserve your stack, you won't have one. since you failed to bink gin on the flop, you want to get away from this as cheaply as possible.
Granted, sometimes it's not possible to avoid deep stack combat with TPTK kinds of hands: (
https (COLON SLASH SLASH) www (DOT) youtube (DOT) com/watch?v=D9UcUHjoZz8 ) This wasn't one of those times.