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2-5 AK UTG with button straddle 2-5 AK UTG with button straddle

02-19-2013 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
I would bet/fold 125 on turn.

I escalate the bit a tiny bit -- and figure villain rarely bluff raises since he doesnt have to. V range will not be that many flushes, and will be more Ax or PP hands that will calldown more than turn into bluffs IMO.

I think chkturn to induce bluffs from good player only gives free cards to good players in this particular spot. They just shouldnt have very many hands that they should want to turn into bluffs here.


Note: I dont want to induce any raises on the turn as I think his raising range will be more nuts than bluffs. Its too optimistic to play so fancy vs a villain that we have very little clue as to histendencies regarding those bluffs and spews etc.
I think that's terrible. Pot is $457 after his raise on the turn, and it's only $230 more to us, so we only have to call $230 to win $917. There are definitely more bluffs in his range since we have the nut blocker, and we of course have the nfd now as well as what could be the best hand (if he has AcQd for example, or even AsKd). Once we bet $125 we can't ever ever fold.
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02-19-2013 , 10:36 PM
Yeah we can't b/f turn.

Once we bet this turn we are pot committed to call.
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02-20-2013 , 02:04 PM
Bet/fold OTT isn't really an option starting 90bb deep in a straddled pot.

Even if we were super deep, and it was an option, I still don't like it as much as a check/call. Check/call allows us to realize our equity against made flushes as well as get value from bluffs. It would be gross if we got raised off our NFD TPTK equity by bet/folding.
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02-20-2013 , 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
I would bet/fold 125 on turn.

I escalate the bit a tiny bit -- and figure villain rarely bluff raises since he doesnt have to. V range will not be that many flushes, and will be more Ax or PP hands that will calldown more than turn into bluffs IMO.

I think chkturn to induce bluffs from good player only gives free cards to good players in this particular spot. They just shouldnt have very many hands that they should want to turn into bluffs here.


Note: I dont want to induce any raises on the turn as I think his raising range will be more nuts than bluffs. Its too optimistic to play so fancy vs a villain that we have very little clue as to histendencies regarding those bluffs and spews etc.
ANL, you underestimate young TAGs way too much. 125/fold is horrible here in this Way Ahead/Way Behind spot. We might push out some weaker Ax hands and pocket pairs with a big 125 bet here. That's a disaster. Even worse, ANL's 125/fold line might even get us to fold the best hand to Villain's AK-AJ hands that decide to go broke on the turn.

We have TPTK with a NFD redraw on turn, so we don't need to worry about giving free cards here. Villain likely has 1-2 outs at most here if we are ahead.

Against a young TAG, I would prefer a turn check to encourage the young TAG Villain to value-own himself or start bluffing turn as part of a flop float. We don't lose value from Ax because he will usually bet the turn himself anyway.
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