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08-25-2014 , 11:53 PM
Hero's been short-stacked for nearly an hour. Has PFR'd multiple times from late position. Mucked some calls. Probably TAG image. Hip, late 20s.

Villain is old LAG. Early 60s. Pretty good. Has been quite active, but not too outlandish. Was called down on a 3barrel bluff earlier by another player. Has also shown down with goods.

$225 effective stacks.

Folds to Hero who raises to 15 with AKo from MP. Villain calls OTB.

Flop comes KQJ. Hero?

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Hero Cbets 15. Villain raises to 45. Hero?


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Hero calls. Turn comes 8. Hero?


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Hero checks. Villain jams. Hero?


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Hero folds AKo face up. Villain shows T. Thoughts?


General thoughts?
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08-25-2014 , 11:58 PM
I'm raising my whole range to 4x at least pre at most tables.
Flop it a pretty clear bet fold against an OMC imo. And likely for more, 2/3 - 3/4 the pot.

Dunno how we make it to the turn, but I think that I just check/fold.
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08-26-2014 , 12:21 AM
Either check/calling down or bet/3-betting the flop. (or check/jamming turn when we c/c flop)
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08-26-2014 , 12:41 AM
do not post results in your OP
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08-26-2014 , 09:17 AM
why are we shortstacked for so long? reload.

raise more pre. 20-25, whatever the standard is at your table. get some value, you have AK.

cbet flop? you have TPTK + SD

pot should've been 40.00 pre, and you can bet 35.00 on flop (i would just pot it). Should he call you, the pot will be around 150.00 and we will have 165.00 eff, shove.
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08-26-2014 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I'm raising my whole range to 4x at least pre at most tables.
Why?

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Flop it a pretty clear bet fold against an OMC imo. And likely for more, 2/3 - 3/4 the pot.
Why? And what is OMC?
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08-26-2014 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by thehelper
Either check/calling down or bet/3-betting the flop. (or check/jamming turn when we c/c flop)
Why?

***NOTE TO ALL: I forgot to note that he was slightly trembling post-flop, but noticeably more so after his jam. He'd been very calm all session (including during his 3barrel bluff). I hadn't seen that in him before - and his breathing was slightly irregular.
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08-26-2014 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboykiller

Why? And what is OMC?
NM. Got it. See description. This was no OMC. Old, but good LAG. This was an evening session (around 7:30) - and he was still there when I left at 9:30.
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08-26-2014 , 09:38 AM
as played do you have a heart? This is slightly important since you have additional outs or a blocker if you jam over the flop vs. the lag

fwiw villain is described as the opposite of an omc

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play 1/2 until you can play full and raise at least 4 to 5x
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do not post results bc it influences the discussion
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08-26-2014 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboykiller
Why?



Why? And what is OMC?
OMC = Old Man Coffee

We raise 4x preflop because that's standard? Are you an online player? Unless you strongly believe raising 3x and 4x accomplish 2 different things, why wouldn't you want to raise 4x if it will get the same action? you are getting villians to put more into the pot when you have a good hand that may beat a lot of their range pre
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08-26-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
as played do you have a heart? This is slightly important since you have additional outs or a blocker if you jam over the flop vs. the lag
I don't believe I did.

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play 1/2 until you can play full and raise at least 4 to 5x
Why?
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08-26-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboykiller



Why?
play full so you can maximize value. Raise more (especially from MP) to isolate to heads up or 3ways max. the last thing you need is for 5 people to come along and then you are forced to flop something, or someone with JJ to 3bet thinking you are raising small with a SC or a small pair.

If you have a heart you have one blocker to him making a flush if he's raising a FD and you also have back door flush possibilities when you jam

Last edited by Playbig2000; 08-26-2014 at 10:52 AM.
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08-26-2014 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboykiller
I don't believe I did.



Why?
because you're playing short-stacked and you're asking how to proceed with a very basic hand. it's apparent you also don't read the stickies in this thread and you have HUNDREDS of posts (you didn't know what OMC was). you have < 50bb, when you get AK you should be finding ANY WAY possible to get it all in on a decent flop for you, and that starts by raising MORE preflop

I find it hard to believe that raising only 3x is +ev 2/5 games around you. Do you know what you're trying to accomplish by raising preflop? It's likely not to fold out junk hands and build a pot against hands you dominate, because I could see 3x raises constantly easily leading to multiway pots and now the value of your hand has shrunk mucho
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08-26-2014 , 11:33 AM
I misread the OP, I thought we were against an OMC not an old crafty lag.
So, I'm not so sure about bet/folding here.


As for why I open at least 4x:
I think that most villains call with the same range pre flop, and given that I play a stronger range than most villains, esp from EP/MP I wold rather play a bigger pot when my range (and normally my cards too) are stronger than theirs. In addition I feel more confident in my ability to use the size of the pot to my advantage either to play for stacks when the time is right, use big bets to leverage the pot away from my opponent when they are scared money and I don't make a hand, and when I'm playing 50bb effective, if I'm opening I'm generally trying to play for stacks in any hand that I play. So, I want to make the pot a big bigger so that I can comfortably stack off post flop with top pair type hands.

Last edited by iraisetoomuch; 08-26-2014 at 11:58 AM.
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08-26-2014 , 11:42 AM
The comments about your pre-flop raise size are pretty spot on here, KK, I'd take them to heart. You weren't playing online where 2.5 and 3Xs/bb raises get folds, so make it $20-25 next time. You got lucky to only get one caller. Keep it the same though, don't raise $25 with AK and $20 with AA-QQ or some of the more observant players might notice.

As played, if you recognize that the guy is laggy and will try to outplay you, check and call might be your best option. If it weren't HU and you had to worry about a third player drawing against you, my answer might be different. Because you let the guy into the pot with a wide range, he could have stuff like KT, QT, JT, TT, XhXh here. AA-QQ, maybe even JJ would have likely 3bet PF. But a bunch of two-pair combinations beat you. If he wants to bet a worse hand let him. If you bet and get raised it's a bit of a tight spot because you have one pair on an ultra-wet board and you're just deep enough that you're likely behind if you get your stack in. Then, re-evaluate the turn. You might have got shoved on anyway, if you c/c'd the flop, but what can you do? You're OOP vs. a LAG with a vulnerable hand on a wet board. Make a mental note when he shows you the Ts and move on to the next hand. Think about changing seats if the guy is raping you.
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08-26-2014 , 11:59 AM
I would end the OP with Hero c-bets $15 and V raises to $45. Then ask what to do.

As played I would probably just 3-bet shove the flop. I don't mind check/calling the flop either. If you were deeper I would probably check/call, but only playing a 45BB stack I don't mind gii on this flop.
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08-26-2014 , 07:36 PM
I'm thinking c/r otf here is optimal against his range. I'm confident he had the straight when he only showed T.
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08-27-2014 , 11:27 AM
I just looked at the final spoiler. Don't turn your cards face up. Never give opp information. I used to do this. It's noob. Don't show that you're capable of folding big hands; it makes you exploitable. Unless you are planning for that. But no information at all is > trying to misinform.

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