Raise pre is good, c/c flop is fine, fold turn.

c/c flop is simply turning your hand face up and allowing villain to outplay you....simple best solution was keeping the initiative and betting out flop. V most likely folds and you take down the hand on the flop.

Start calling V down much lighter from here on out though...

i don't really get why people are saying that we are turning our hand face up as if that is a decisive reason to not play the hand in this manner.

if you never "turn your hand face up" you are going to lose value by constantly playing against the stronger part of villains range. people assume that its obvious that villain is going to fire 3 times here when its not. i get that we folded the best hand and that's bad. but to just ignore that we actually were able to get like 130 in post flop with villain drawing dead is not something to ignore.

**to the wheel

EDIT: Oh you mean by the turn. Nevermind then yes he's drawing dead.

I actually really like raising the turn. Here's why, and speaking of durr he has talked about this in an interview with Bart Hanson. In NLHE he either has it or he doesn't. In this case, hes either got air, a Qx or a FD. He rarely has an ace obv.

Does villain lead with a FD? We already know he doesn't. So hes leading with either Qx or air. The turn bet by villain looks super weak to me. He bets 85 into 190 on the turn. IF he has air which he did he folds to a raise. And as played he has to give credit for a flush.

OTF we must decide if he has air or a queen. If you don't think he has air and he has a queen c/c the flop and leading the turn/river or c/r the turn smells alot more like a flush than leading the flop. That half pot bet sizing is a huge tell imo.

OP, this hand is really interesting.

Besides the advice of some that if you raise you might be able to cause worse hands to fold (hurray for that), what do you think the lesson(s) of this hand is(are)?

Here's one: Check-calling without being committed to the pot isn't a great idea. If you're not committed you can just fold. Otherwise you end up in this exact situation which is calling multiple streets with a hand that's unlikely to improve just to fold on a later street.

I think there's some poor advice in the thread:

Raising the turn makes no sense at all. All you create is an even more bloated pot you're not committed to. Read the posts in 2+2 where Hero is passive and then turns aggressive on a card that doesn't help their hand --- tends to be a poor idea. What would you be representing in this case, the NFD that decided to check the flop?

I don't understand the posts about your kicker. They make no sense at all. Villain's line is polarized and very rarely will someone be limp/calling AK.

I'm making my decision on the turn most of the time. Doesn't seem like this is the kind of guy who shut's down. I'm leaning towards a fold on the turn simply because now you are behind to both qx, and all flushes, and we know that any two suited is fully in his range pf. I think his worse ax's will check back on the turn a lot. So that leads to a decision point on the turn. From your description it seems to be suggesting that you believe this guy is fos at least some % of the time. Calling down out of position is a tough proposition. Basically on the turn he either has it or he doesn't but the board is wet as hell and it hits his range while you are capped. Calling turn hoping this player shuts down with worse and bets better seems like a losing plan. All this babble to say that, I find a fold on the turn, but if my read is that he has enough air and I find a call on the turn, then I am hanging on, on a crapload of rivers and stationing down.

why does raising the turn not make sense? Keep in mind I am referring to when we check call, not if we decide to raise the flop. OP stated that villain didn't lead with a flush draw in a prior hand. Unless villain really won't shut down to two streets of aggression with Qx against a board w 3 hearts like ozmosis says.

If I check/call flop, I'm either betting (or c/r) or folding on the turn. I'm almost never c/c on the turn (exception would be a strong read that villain is bluffing all the way down), after doing so on the flop as preflop raiser. Why? Because you are representing a hand that is scared of either the A or the QQ or both, and you'll face a triple barrel almost every time, particularly if he thinks you can lay down an ace. And this is exactly what Villain has in mind, since he is more confident in his river bet than he was on the first two bets. (first two were half-pot or less, river bet was 60%ish.

I think post flop play by villain here was pretty good, even if it was by accident.

That said, I'm almost always betting this flop.