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01-11-2015 , 02:10 AM
$2/5 $500 buy in cap

Villain - white 40-50 age male, I've only seen villain limp/fold preflop a couple time in 2 orbits. Seems like an ABC player. Hero sat down 2 orbits ago and won both CO and Button hands with a 2/3 PSB Cbet, image should be young and aggressive, if an image really matters to casual ABC players.

Villain button $350
Hero AJ BB $600
Limps 5 ways

Pot $25
Flop AT3

SB, hero, LP checks, CO bets $15
button villain quickly calls

Pot $100
Turn A

Checks to Villain who insta bets $25
Hero quickly bets $150

folds around
Villain insta goes all in for $300
Hero?
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01-11-2015 , 02:30 AM
The bet to 150 is really bad. What are you hoping to accomplish?
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01-11-2015 , 04:12 AM
Hero has to call 150 more with trip Aces third kicker to win 575 on a board with two flush draws where Villain is on the button and we would have to expect he would have raised with AK and potentially AQ.

this is a snap call.

the real question is what your plan was when you raised to 150 given how shallow villain was. Surely you weren't bet/folding with such a strong value hand when you'll only need to call 150 more to win 575 extra?
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01-11-2015 , 05:13 AM
I agree with feel wrath.

Once you raise turn it's a no brainer call.

I would have raised pre and lead out on the flop though.
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01-11-2015 , 12:09 PM
why the check raise?
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01-11-2015 , 12:27 PM
Raise pre, our hand rates best even though we are OOP. Bet flop, bet turn and GII.

As played, snap call getting better than 3-1. Lots of weaker A's are in V's range plus we have a fairly wet board that figures to get action from combo draws.

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01-13-2015 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
the real question is what your plan was when you raised to 150 given how shallow villain was. Surely you weren't bet/folding with such a strong value hand when you'll only need to call 150 more to win 575 extra?
I made a PSB check raise (i know thats a big raise live) because I thought villain would call or gii with worse Ax hands and I didn't want to make a smaller raise leaving the villain with $200 and not know what to do when either a or flush hits OTR.

Villain bet $25 into $100 pot, if Hero raises to $75, then the other 3 limpers could call $75 to win $200 pot + position and implied odds and villain only has to call $50 to win $200 with $200 left.

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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
I would have raised pre and lead out on the flop though.
Sometimes I raise AJo in the BB after 4 limpers, sometimes I don't. It depends on how sticky the table is.
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01-13-2015 , 01:58 AM
villain is a passive player if he limps a lot, it's possible he has TT, AXs, 33 here.

another limp pot situation, I'm really try to avoid these spots because it's so hard to range opponents but I'm pretty sure when somebody make a big bet, they always have the goods.

limp pot, passive player betting on this board despite the obvious trip aces, i would call again OTT. raising here will have all hands we beat to fold, even weak Ax hands and we will only be called by hands that beats us (AT, 33, TT).

ap, i call. we cant be folding after that raise which i hope was for value not bluff.
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01-13-2015 , 02:13 AM
There are two kinds of people in this world. People who have ranges that only smash(they will always just call without the nuts, perhaps even with quads to be nice) and the rest of us strong blooded and sound minded folk who rightly like to GII. So I would either check call or donk the turn against the first and anything else is fine when dealing with the non risk adverse.

On the other hand I play with a type of player who can almost never have the nuts in their raising range because they are always afraid of losing a chance at a high hand jackpot. Even though they have mines in their calling my barrels range it is ok because they are super loose and weak.
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01-13-2015 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Raise pre, our hand rates best even though we are OOP. Bet flop, bet turn and GII.
Abc players frequently call my PFR's with AK, AQ, TT but would bet AT+, 99+ on the button if limped to. Adding AK,AQ,TT into villains range would make this a fold.

Spoiler:
hero calls. Villain has 33


When an ABC villains bet $25 into $100 then 3bet all in for $300? I think I might give them more credit next time. I guess being results orientated stops me from remembering all the times I call an ABC villains bet/3bet allin getting 3:1 and catch him bluffing.
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01-13-2015 , 09:35 AM
I'd raise pre. If I didn't raise pre, I would definitely bet the flop.

This is why nits beat the $1/2 games at a good clip. They just shove the near nuts and get called. People start wondering if they're bluffing and putting lots of flush draws in their ranges. They wind up talking themselves into a call.

I think it's in one of the LLSNL stickies where some uses the analogy of a guy in prison who calls a friend asking how to avoid anal rape. The key is to follow the advice to avoid being put in that position in the first place. If Hero had played the hand differently, it's possible he could have avoided being stacked. Maybe not, but maybe.

A big enough raise pf might have folded out 33. A c-bet after a pfr might have led to a flop raise from V where we could have folded. Who knows how the hand could have played out.....

This was a bad luck hand though. Top pair against a set sucks. Trips against a set is even worse.
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01-13-2015 , 03:25 PM
The only part I like about the way this hand was played was not raising pre. Playing AJo in a bloated pot oop, possibly multi-way is not a really good idea.

Flop: Leading is the best option here. We likely have the best hand so we want to bet 1) for value 2) to not give free cards. We need to figure out where we are. If we lead villain will most likely raise us bc of four flush board and we have an easy fold. When we ch/c we have no clue where in the hand we're at. If we lead we will likely thin the field and have a better idea of villains and other player's hands.

Turn: ch/c or b/f. ch/r accomplishes nothing here. Again, we likely have the best hand. Since you said villain is an ABC player he likely will check back turn if he doesn't have an ace, call with a naked ace, and raise all full houses. For this reason I lean towards leading for value against naked aces and flush draws. You can't always be scared of the river, especially when either black Jack (essentially) gives you the nuts. When you ch/r really the only hands I see committing are full houses, maybe AK. FDs and T-x hands will likely fold and naked aces will either fold or call.
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01-13-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TKO121
The only part I like about the way this hand was played was not raising pre. Playing AJo in a bloated pot oop, possibly multi-way is not a really good idea.

Flop: Leading is the best option here. We likely have the best hand so we want to bet 1) for value 2) to not give free cards. We need to figure out where we are. If we lead villain will most likely raise us bc of four flush board and we have an easy fold. When we ch/c we have no clue where in the hand we're at. If we lead we will likely thin the field and have a better idea of villains and other player's hands.

Turn: ch/c or b/f. ch/r accomplishes nothing here. Again, we likely have the best hand. Since you said villain is an ABC player he likely will check back turn if he doesn't have an ace, call with a naked ace, and raise all full houses. For this reason I lean towards leading for value against naked aces and flush draws. You can't always be scared of the river, especially when either black Jack (essentially) gives you the nuts. When you ch/r really the only hands I see committing are full houses, maybe AK. FDs and T-x hands will likely fold and naked aces will either fold or call.
I agree with this.
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01-15-2015 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TKO121
Turn: ch/c or b/f. ch/r accomplishes nothing here. Again, we likely have the best hand. Since you said villain is an ABC player he likely will check back turn if he doesn't have an ace, call with a naked ace, and raise all full houses. For this reason I lean towards leading for value against naked aces and flush draws. You can't always be scared of the river, especially when either black Jack (essentially) gives you the nuts. When you ch/r really the only hands I see committing are full houses, maybe AK. FDs and T-x hands will likely fold and naked aces will either fold or call.

I guess I could have ch/c or b/f, with AJ on a AT3A board.

What confused me was on the flop, I thought Villain would have 100% raised the flop with a set on a drawy board with 4 players left. Which is why I thought a ch/r was the best line since villain should have a lot of Ax hands or flush draws when he only bets $25 into $100. I guess some ABC players like to raise the flop to protect their set, others like to slow play it.
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