No history with villian, he is asian guy 30-35y old, he just sat down to our table from different one, and post 5$ next to me. We are 7handed
Hero utg AsAc(900$) bet 25
V utg1 (1200$) calls
B (600$)calls
Bb (700$)calls
4way to the flop
9d7c5d(100$)
Bb checks
Hero bets 100
V makes 320
B folds
Bb folds
Hero?
Problem is I never played with him before, and it’s his first hand at this table. To my mind Iam roughly flipping agains his raising range if I consider it is all overpairs, sets, two pairs, straights, fdraws and other combo draws. Please tell me what you think, thx

You should probably check this flop OOP with no reads. People don’t raise overpairs on this board very often. You potted it and got raised when V has players behind still to act. That is extremely strong, he should have a good combo draw at worst and often has you crushed. I’d fold, but I’d also have checked this flop

exactly this.

OOP I hate betting this flop unless I flopped the 2 pair + or a nut draw.

as played, fold. and congratulate yourself for getting away from AA for only 125.

I disagree with checking the flop if it was a little more connected I would check. Against passive players, we can get at least two streets of value by betting.

But I'm far from committed on this flop with an over against 3 players and with an SPR of 8:1

Bet 70 into 100. When he raises, with two people to come its a clear fold. He does not typically have weaker overpairs.

This is his range:
99,77,55,86s,97s,75s,Td8d,6d4d,Ad7d,8d7d,7d6d,

I'd bet this flop even against multiple opponents, but your pot size bet is too large and unnecessary imo. I'd bet somewhere between $50 and $75. Once I get raised it would have depend on what I know about my opponent, against an unknown it's a clear fold for me. He raised the pf raiser with two people left to act which is a strong move. I agree we're at best a flip here versus some type of draw and at worst totally crushed.

Flop seems fine. Anyone withou a real hand should go away. He raised over size and cleared out the rest of the field. If you think he is fos jam, otherwise fold. He is likely only calling you only with better.

Don't agree on checking this flop, as it likely gets checked around and allows free cards multiway which is disastrous. Flop bet is way too big because it puts us into a sick spot when we get raised and stacks come into play almost immediately. A bet of 40 that gets raised still leaves us plenty behind to call and outplay opponent or safety fold to turn aggression.

Betting flop is fine, but no need to go $100. Bet $60 - $70. Read-less with almost 200bb, it's an easy fold, although he could be doing this with tons of draws.

I think we can discount some of his overpairs, specifically KK/QQ since he just flatted pre. Unfortunately those are the hands we are hoping to run into most often here. It's tough to deal with these unknown players because we have no idea if he's decent or just playing bingo. If he's decent we can take out a lot of draws, so his EP calling ranges become PP's, SC's, and some AXdd. The raise is scary, because he's announcing he's not afraid of the other two callers still in the hand, and is possibly protecting against draws they could have. This just all around smells like he knows what you have and is going for value. I'm folding now since I have no reads that tell me he can show up with a ride range and play it this aggro here.

Fold flop. You are either way behind or flipping against.

+1

People need to realize that having AA doesn't mean you just get to auto stack people. When the flop comes out ****ty, well you ran bad that flop, that sucks. Try to get to showdown without being put in a position to put ~200bb in the pot.... don't get me wrong, you can still go for value on later streets also.

Plus checking OOP lets people overvalue their middling strength hands because they auto assume you have 2 overs

How is this a ****ty flop for AA? What are we afraid of? 68? A set? We could always be facing a set with AA. Two pair? We could face two pair extremely often -- more so on many other flops than this.

This flop is so draw-heavy, it seems really bad to give a free card. What do you hope to see? Do you check so you can fold on almost every turn?

There are lots of bad flops for AA, but if this is one of them, we need to stop betting AA on the majority of flops.

I think the flop is a bet/fold, because there's 3 other people in the hand, but if we were HU I think there's a lot of merit to checking AA on this flop OOP.

When there are four people in the hand and nobody else has shown any major strength preflop, this flop hits the callers ranges extremely hard and there are going to be a ton of bad runouts for AA. Meanwhile, we are still OOP and don't know which cards are good and bad. So by potting the flop, OP has now built a big pot with a marginally good hand on this board. The continuing ranges for V's will have very good equity vs AA and if someone raises at any point you pretty much have to fold.

Checking allows other V's to overvalue their more marginal holdings like TT/J9/Q9/etc and if it goes bet -> raise you can decide how to proceed from there (usually fold). When I have K9s in this spot and it checks to me on the button, I'm betting. When I have K9s in this spot and the PFR pots it into the entire field, I'm folding because they're going to have what they're repping most of the time (an overpair).

These are the absolute best spots to be in position vs a PFR with an extremely narrow range because they're already told you what they have with their raise pre and potting it on the flop. Meanwhile, they have no idea what the person in position has and are going to be lost on later streets, and can be easily bluffed on many runouts that are bad for their hand.

If this pot was heads up or 3-way I would be more keen on a bet, but smaller sizing unless stacks were shallow. When there are four people in the hand, it becomes a check.

So, you are just check/calling it down unless you hit an A or maybe a non-diamond 2 or 3?

If we cc flop we most likely have to cf turn

I'm undecided about c-betting or not but while we are theoretically pretty far ahead, that goes out the window if we get called.

I don't mind either a small cbet or a check. As played I'm folding 4 ways because this guy should be very strong here.

If I check flop, I bet a brick turn as we are now in better shape against all the draws. If I bet flop, I'm only betting a brick turn because non-bricks are a disaster to our equity...we turn into a dog after being called OTF.

First thought is you're almost never taking this pot with one bet. That's something to consider before putting out $100. Second is this board does not connect with your range at all and you can't stand a raise. It's really easy to blow you off this hand too.

Second thought is limp/reraise with the poster in the hand. 2/5 players will raise you and poster light, then you have weird dynamic fighting over your limp and the posted blind.

Can't answer that - depends on sizing and other action before it gets back to me, along with the type of players in the hand. If it checks around, lead some turns and check others. If it goes bet/call/call/call and the turn is a diamond or 9 or 6 or 8 then I'm just c/f turn. Too many variables.

What is a blank turn on this board to someone who bets the flop after we check besides maybe 4,3,2 non-diamond? Maybe a Q or J? We already know K9s is betting here.

Depends on who bet/what position they are in/how much/who called. Again, too many variables to make blanket statements. Betting the flop is fine, but not optimal OOP vs 3 people IMO.

Re what are blanks OTT: The same cards that are blanks if we bet flop and get called...

But one way bloats the pot OOP and one way does not

So, if we check/call, the pot is less bloated?

If we check, it checks around, and one of the "blanks" hits the turn and we bet and are raised, we just fold now? Seems to me giving them a free card on the flop is worse than bet/folding the flop. (Although $100 was too much.)

I just don't think this is a "****ty" flop for AA, and I see no problem in betting it, and I think bet/folding the flop (if that's what we have to do) is better than bet/folding the turn. Unless, of course, our plan is to just check and hope to see a really cheap river?

I wish this were a PAHWM starting on flop.

What's more likely to bloat a pot, definitely putting money in by betting or not definitely putting money in by checking?

Maybe, it depends.

It's not a terrible flop for AA, it's a terrible flop for AA if we bet and get a couple of callers.

Not sure this should be correct though.

I can't speak for everyone ITT but I'm not planning to check until the river unless the board gets worse.

Would be interesting I think.