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09-25-2021 , 10:19 PM
Hero active and aggressive image even though Im just playing normal poker. Everybody mostly limping wanting to see a flop. Hero the only one raising and trying to play bigger pots. Some players looking angry at me when I raise like "omg this idiot is always raising and I just want to see a cheap flop" lol. 1,4k
Villain 1 nitty weak reg. 800
Villain 2 the only spot at the table. Pretty lose pre in srp and passive postflop. Loves chasing draws but is scared of monsters under the bed postflop. Calls with QTcs on KQ248cccxc 2 big bets otf and ott to tank call a tiny bet otr. 1,2k

shortstack with 250 raises to 10 in mp, hero 3b to 30 in co with AA, V1 otb and V2 in bb coldcall, shortstack calls.
Flop (125) J52
check check, hero checks, btn bets 80, bb calls, hero calls.
turn (365) J528
all check
River J5289
bb checks, hero bets 200

Last edited by SUYAPA; 09-25-2021 at 10:33 PM.
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09-25-2021 , 10:49 PM
I know you're up against 3 people, but it's next to impossible for anyone to have you beat on that sahara-desert-dry flop. Charge them to chase their set or two pair. I get that an overpair is not a 3-streets-of-value hand but you make it too easy for the villains to play their hands correctly by checking the flop instead of the turn or the river.

Betting has a chance of buying you the button, making it even easier for you to play the hand correctly.
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09-25-2021 , 11:37 PM
I too, prefer betting the flop for dat value. I'd probably bet large OTF, barrel turn somehwere around 1/2-2/3pot. Try to squeeze whatever I can out of Jx with a teeny weeny bet OTR if we get there HU.

I think a T98 flop or something similar, I'd think about checking. On a board like that, our opponents have a bunch of sets, straights, maybe some 2p hands. On J52r most of the connections would be TP in from their broadway holdings and we wanna charge that.
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09-26-2021 , 01:41 AM
I rather bet flop for 33-50%, with a preference for a smaller sizing.
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09-26-2021 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
Hero active and aggressive image even though Im just playing normal poker. Everybody mostly limping wanting to see a flop. Hero the only one raising and trying to play bigger pots. Some players looking angry at me when I raise like "omg this idiot is always raising and I just want to see a cheap flop" lol. 1,4k
Villain 1 nitty weak reg. 800
Villain 2 the only spot at the table. Pretty lose pre in srp and passive postflop. Loves chasing draws but is scared of monsters under the bed postflop. Calls with QTcs on KQ248cccxc 2 big bets otf and ott to tank call a tiny bet otr. 1,2k

shortstack with 250 raises to 10 in mp, hero 3b to 30 in co with AA, V1 otb and V2 in bb coldcall, shortstack calls.
Flop (125) J52
check check, hero checks, btn bets 80, bb calls, hero calls.
turn (365) J528
all check
River J5289
bb checks, hero bets 200
On flop you have different incentives to bet/check call/check raise and all are options are fine
Bet: Thin field out of equity and start putting money in with virtual nuts before runout might get worse
Checking: Protect checking range and your hand needs very little protection since there are virtually no bad turns
Check Call vs. Check Raise: Depends if you want to try to get more money in vs. Jx vs. protect check call range

Turn good to play in flow and check it on card that is neutral

River: Check is okay but I much prefer betting with a hand that is this strong to get a second street of value

So overall I think flop can go any way and I probably lean xc, and river I like betting and your size a lot, so overall I think you played it pretty well
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09-26-2021 , 09:02 AM
As played, B/F river, probably for smaller sizing.

Flop - Once the BB calls, I like a small X/R. Nonetheless, I prefer betting vs a weak, passive field.
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09-27-2021 , 12:25 AM
Everything in place to be flop.
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09-27-2021 , 12:49 AM
Would have led flop, but now that BTN obliged its c/r time for me.
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09-27-2021 , 12:52 AM
Gotta bet that flop esp w the image if you’re right about it. Riv is a check it’s not a particularly clean runout even though it’s not easy for them to have much. A spot for me where I can still call or even overcall against these guys depending on sizing and I think that keeps things a little better for you than how AA fares against calling ranges. Betting ok, I just lean check when thinking about how you got to this spot.
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09-27-2021 , 02:23 PM
I would bet flop most of the time but thought its good to have some strong hands in my checking range at low frequency to protect my checking range and for deception escpecially on such a dry flop. Also when thinking about the coldcalling range of the nitty player otb and how he played there arent many hands I beat that I could get value from. I also thought both didnt expect me to check an overpair or Jx so if btn bets bb would be more likely to continue because both expect me to probably x/f. So I could get money in from both but if I would bet myself instead one of them is folding his 88-TT or whatever they have.
I thought about x/r but think I would only isolate myself vs better hands which is exactly JJ.

After it checks through ott and bb not leading otr I was pretty sure that I have the best hand almost always.

One problem I see is what hands am I 3betting that want to check/overcall otf. It seems like I would only have traps and maybe some weaker Jx which I dont have because I wouldnt 3b a shortstack with hands like J9s-QJs or KJo. I guess it doesnt matter vs weak players but something I keep thinking about.
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09-27-2021 , 02:40 PM
Flop check once in a while with AA is okay, but I’d usually cbet it. Need to cbet all our overpairs and AJ for protection.
If you check flop with AA, I prefer x/r over x/c. You can mix AK/A5/A4/A3/A2 once in a while as a bluff. IMO cbet > x/r > x/c.
As played river is a mandatory value bet IMO, especially holding the Ad and blocking A5-A2dd. I like your sizing.
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09-27-2021 , 02:51 PM
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One problem I see is what hands am I 3betting that want to check/overcall otf. It seems like I would only have traps and maybe some weaker Jx which I dont have because I wouldnt 3b a shortstack with hands like J9s-QJs or KJo. I guess it doesnt matter vs weak players but something I keep thinking about.
This is my issue with x/c. Like, your hand looks like a weak J or a slowplayed overpair/JJ. Meaning, you will not be perceived to have bluffs on the river. I think even weak players will recognize the strength in your overcall. Many will assume you wouldn’t even play QJ/KJ/AJ this way and “put you” on AA.
Meanwhile if you cbet flop players will think you can have AK/AQ and all sorts of other hands, and will be more likely to payoff on 2 or 3 streets with a J.
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09-27-2021 , 11:38 PM
Agreed with Robert and CIE, I can see betting, c/c, and c/r all being perfectly viable in a vacuum. In this spot I lean towards c/r as well, I think it'll be seen as pretty suspect to attempt a c/r with only one person behind, even if it's a theoretically sound move.
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09-28-2021 , 02:49 AM
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I would bet flop most of the time but thought its good to have some strong hands in my checking range at low frequency to protect my checking range and for deception escpecially on such a dry flop.
this is true when playing against regs, but I don't think there's anything about the description of this table that suggests it's the way to go here

yes, it's a bone dry flop, but we have a bad image and we're more likely to be looked up because it's a bone dry flop.

all jacks, many pocket pairs call as well as a few random napkins will call. if we're lucky we get check jammed on by the shorty. I'd bet 40% pot here with a plan to pot the turn
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09-28-2021 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
I would bet flop most of the time but thought its good to have some strong hands in my checking range at low frequency to protect my checking range and for deception escpecially on such a dry flop. Also when thinking about the coldcalling range of the nitty player otb and how he played there arent many hands I beat that I could get value from. I also thought both didnt expect me to check an overpair or Jx so if btn bets bb would be more likely to continue because both expect me to probably x/f. So I could get money in from both but if I would bet myself instead one of them is folding his 88-TT or whatever they have.
I thought about x/r but think I would only isolate myself vs better hands which is exactly JJ.
I think you're leveling yourself too hard. You might be right and they wouldn't expect you to check an OP (and they might bet lighter), but by the same line of logic there's an equally good chance they would expect you to bet AK (and often call lighter).

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One problem I see is what hands am I 3betting that want to check/overcall otf. It seems like I would only have traps and maybe some weaker Jx which I dont have because I wouldnt 3b a shortstack with hands like J9s-QJs or KJo. I guess it doesnt matter vs weak players but something I keep thinking about.
This depends on your ranges and overall strategy, but to address this 'problem' you mix AAds because you might also look to check-call/overcall AQ+ss/dd. I also don't know how many A2-A5s you have here, but those hands can also ck overcall a bunch.

I think you'd do best just taking most of your range and betting 30. You'll have JJ+, OP draw+BDFDSD, bottom and middle pair+BDFD, wheel gutters+BDFD, and maybe 99-TT that fold nicely into a 30 dollar flop bet. That's a very formidable 3b range for these 2 to contend with on later streets and much of this can even continue against a raise.
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09-28-2021 , 03:03 PM
Bottom line is you probably already have enough flop ckc-overcalls here to where you don't need to mix AA for any reason against this group. That said/AP, on this runout, AAd would be pretty middling in my range here to where I think betting 200 is a poor choice. Much smaller or much bigger fits.
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10-11-2021 , 10:38 AM
Thanks for the feedback and sorry for the late response was busy and forgot.

Villain 2 called with 99

Very good points about why we should bet otf
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10-13-2021 , 11:09 AM
Bet flop for value. As played check raise V1. Tight passive CC here screams hands like KK, QQ, maybe AJs on this texture. Sure sometimes JJ as well, but we can’t really focus on the small portion of his range that has us smashed in favor of the much bigger portion that we have smashed
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10-14-2021 , 01:32 AM
The flop is 4 ways but you have no reason to think your hand is not best. The 2 villain's are pretty deep here so you don't want to get it AI unless you improve so playing tricky doesn't have a whole lot of merit. I like betting the flop small here somewhere around $60. It's such a dry flop and you'll take down the pot a fair amount of the time which is a pretty good result for you considering it's a decent size pot. I much prefer trying to thin the field on the flop and playing pot control on the turn or river if need be.

As others have said, I think you're leveling yourself a bit here. Your descriptions of villains are nittty/weak and loose/passive, neither of these players are thinking about the balance you have on your checking range. If they did, they wouldn't be nitty loose or passive.
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